Also, Karamo and Dorian in the club? HOT.

freakgirl at October 21, 2004 09:54 AM

I think I understand what he's saying. I've known gay people who hate shows like "Will & Grace" because of the portrayal of homosexuals as swishy effeminates. Most gay people, I believe, are effectively "invisible" in everyday life - "normal" in everyway except they are attracted to the same sex. Even well-meaning television often does them a disservice by the rampant stereotyping.

Dave at October 21, 2004 01:24 PM

I read an article once comparing the swishy gay stereotype to the way blacks were portrayed as cartoonish buffoons back in the day. I don't have Showtime anymore, but I did like the way "Queer as Folk" had so many types of different people; the one and only thing many of them had in common was being gay. That's real.

I do understand Karamo's line of thought; it just made me wonder if part of it has to do with the fact that he's only tiptoeing out of the closet and isn't quite ready to embrace all aspects of gay culture.

Of course, I'm not gay, so what the hell do I know. :)

freakgirl at October 21, 2004 01:35 PM

When your childhood is spent concealing ANY tendencies that will show who you are, you can see how a guy who exhibits all of them OUT LOUD is jarring for some of us. It's an evolution. I, for one, can enjoy a flouncing fairy, yet still feel a strong need to clarify that I'm really manly and kinda hairy and muscular with a 5'oclock shadow and I use only basic skin care products. See, it's a path...

Michael at October 21, 2004 06:41 PM


Having said that, you really should look into Kiehl's. ;)

freakgirl at October 21, 2004 07:17 PM

It's bookmarked. I said "basic skin care products" but I'm not an animal. Cleanser, toner, moisturizer, maybe some eye cream-- basic.

Michael at October 21, 2004 07:36 PM

I think I love you.

freakgirl at October 21, 2004 11:10 PM

I might love you, too, and I know I love your hair and that's just about as good, isn't it?

Michael at October 22, 2004 05:06 AM

This thread has become the Michael and Freakgirl Show.

freakgirl at October 22, 2004 08:15 AM
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