Was I the only one yelling "SHOOT HER! SHOOT HER!" when Mike came to see Susan at the end? I was really hoping it would be a switch up where you think Mrs. Huber was going to die, but it was really Teri Hatcher. Not only would that make the show great and unpredictable (in a 24/"no one is safe" kind of way), but I also really, REALLY hate Teri Hatcher....

Joe at November 29, 2004 09:15 AM

(I don't like the haikus). So much happening in this episode. I remember reading somewhere last week that the show was criticized because these close friends keep such secrets from each other. Well, that's just like life, but last night's Lynette breakdown on the soccer field was a really sweet moment between friends. Guards let down and honesty and empathy. Just like real friends in real life. Love that moment. (Oh, and the baby is back...that was this RAIN character).

charlie at November 29, 2004 09:45 AM

I didn't care much for the parallel sex and violence. I found it very disturbing. I guess that's just my feminism showing.

Otherwise, a great ep. Gabrielle was funnier than usual, and I still don't care for her much. At least she realizes how shallow and selfish she is. My favorite line was her line about her uterus. Wish I could remember it verbatim.

Marcia Cross rocks!!

elizabeth at November 29, 2004 10:17 AM

As a mother of two below the age of five, I thought Lynette's dream about blowing her brains out was the most realistic thing I've seen on tv in a long time. I love the haikus.

ellen at November 29, 2004 10:39 AM

I'm so glad Lynette acknowledged that she DOES actually have four kids.

Re: parallel sex and violence: ugh, yeah, when Rex grabbed Mrs. Huber's hand and the viewpoint cut to Mike slamming Susan's hand against the wall... um, ew.

I'm getting a little worried about where this show is going. The moral center is really fucking skewed. And I'm not one to go searching for a "moral center" in my dramadies: I've watched that episode of Buffy* where she and Spike sex-smash a building probably a dozen times, and I love all kinds of black comedy. But are we supposed to think Gabrielle is now a "good person" because she gave her mother-in-law a sponge bath? I'm starting to feel a little skeeved by some of the "messages" going on here. I feel a little bit like the consequences and comeuppances are not really being doled out in measures equal to the "crimes".

But I guess we'll see where it all goes.

*Although, come to think of it, as skewed as "Buffy" could get, it certainly did have a remarkably strong moral center and it absolutely dealt with consequences in a grave manner. I guess it's just an example to show that I'm not against teh sex and teh violence and teh funny.

brian w at November 29, 2004 10:46 AM

I don't think we are supposed to think Gabrielle is a good person because she gave her MIL a sponge bath. As the voiceover said, some people will attempt to assuage their guilt with very small kindnesses. That's what that was, IMO.

I thought the sex/murder scene was very well done and I liked it. All the juxtapositions told me a story about all the different ways you can "touch" a person and change their life - Mike & Susan having sexual touch, Mrs. Huber being killed from a violent touch, Gabrielle's small apology to her MIL with a gentle touch, Lynette dealing with her problem with a baby's touch, and Bree, so lost and alone with nothing to touch or touch her. I liked it.

freakgirl at November 29, 2004 10:58 AM

I liked it too!

and i liked how Rex used Mary Alice's blender to whack Mrs. Huber. everything comes full circle...

I'm really liking Lynette's storyline, and i think Felicity Huffman is amazing. I just think there's no way in hell that a mother of 4 would take all 4 kids with her to get acupuncture, and expect that her three boys will sit and wait patiently in the waiting room....

i hope they give gabrielle some heart. she needs it. they want to keep us liking her more than we like Carlos...

Ali at November 29, 2004 11:31 AM

I also thought the Lynette scene was very touching and realistic. One of Lynette's problems is that she waits too long to put her foot down with her kids and by then they're completely out of control. BUT, having been in her situation many times, I can say that the urge to smash and throw things is very real (see the hole in my kids' toy room wall for reference), and the desire to kill yourself sometimes isn't too far from real either (though I wouldn't choose to do it by shooting myself in the head in front of my kids).

When she handed her kids over to Susan and said she had to go....so true. I shed a few tears also when she said she felt bad for her kids for having her as a mother, and for crying Why didn't you tell me?!? when Susan and Bree acknowledged that they had experienced the same insecurities.

Perhaps it's because I'm going through many a Lynette-scenerio lately, but I enjoy her storyline the most and think it's the only one that's even close to realistic.

Hayley at November 29, 2004 11:58 AM

I agree, Hayley. Lynette's story broke my heart. I don't have kids, but I have seen that look in the eyes of friends who do.

freakgirl at November 29, 2004 12:06 PM

"(though I wouldn't choose to do it by shooting myself in the head in front of my kids)"

It's interesting that Mary Alice waited until she was alone to shoot herself, but Lynette's thought was to do it right there in the kitchen while the kids were all around her. I wonder what this says about their characters. Would it be interesting if we got a little more Mary Alice backstory -- flashbacks to a year previous, things like that -- or is it better that (aside from the voiceovers, which don't shed a ton of light on her character) we don't see much about what she was personally like?

Good little DH article over at Jessica Lee Jernigan's blog:

http://jessicaleejernigan.typepad.com/jessica_lee_jernigan/2004/11/suburban_apocal.html

brian w at November 29, 2004 12:27 PM

(Also: my bad, it was Paul who killed Mrs. Huber, not Rex. Right? Rex is Bree's husband, Paul was Mary Alice's? I don't find myself paying much attention to the names of the men on this show!)

brian w at November 29, 2004 01:43 PM

yah - Paul, not Rex. I get them mixed up too.

freakgirl at November 29, 2004 01:48 PM

I don't think Lynette's dream that she killed herself was meant to imply anything because it was in front of her children.

Moral schmoral. I don't think the show is about morality at all. None of the characters are completely moral...everyone "misbehaves" - some more seriously than others.

I thought Bree and Rex made a big mistake when they had Psycho Son's car stolen...I had a feeling the kid would show no remorse. Something's wrong with him. Also, there are other things about it that are bugging me. Typically when a car gets stolen with the keys in it, no insurance is paid out because it's considered that the driver did not do everything necessary to keep the car safe. When were they going to report their car stolen? Perhaps by time machine? Did no one else in the neighbourhood notice that Psycho Son even got the car? Won't they wonder where it is? Blah blah blah.

Maggie at November 29, 2004 01:57 PM

Yeah, Maggie, that whole plot point doesn't seem like it's going to end well. Besides all the things you point out, the son is so "whatever" about the whole thing that he's bound to crack and tell someone what he did.

freakgirl at November 29, 2004 03:23 PM

Yeah. The whole car thing isn't too well-thought out, even though Bree seems to think it's very clever. I hope that the sloppiness of the plan does come back to bite them in the butt.

And yes, I was very pleased to see the return of Lynette's missing kids. I still believe it's a pivotal point that she has four kids, and not just the two...and thank GOD she's finally going to discover that hiring a nanny can be a good thing.

Rain at November 29, 2004 03:23 PM

It's possible nothing will ever come from Bree's car theft plan. After all, Gabrielle gave the neighbor kid a bike and nothing ever came of that. No one noticed or questioned it, and the kid totally disappeared. Bree will have to do something about her sadistic son though. I would have beaten some sense into him after his show of apathy in the kitchen.
Oh, and as for friends keeping things from each other, I don't think that's unrealistic at all. Especially neighbor-friends... how do you bring up drug addiction or suicide over coffee at brunch?

Parker at November 29, 2004 04:57 PM

I love the haikus. LOVE THEM. I wish I could get all my news that way. Someone with more initiative would start a haiku news website. ANYWAY, I loved the episode, I think they kicked it up a level all the way around. Teri Hatcher was pretty annoying counting all the freakin money though. She really couldn't just make an educated guess? Do the quick count? And to take the gun, yeesh. Her highjinks are the only time I feel like the writing is a bit weak. I'm fine with the character, they just make her do the dumbest sh#*.

Chuck at November 29, 2004 06:22 PM

I agree. Sometimes there's just no appropriate segue, and "I'm hooked on kiddie meds!" is quite the non-sequitor. I just used segue and non-sequitor in the same sentence.

I just thought of an amazing plan for Gabrielle...she's cheating on Carlos because she can't divorce him due to the prenup and the girl needs her lifestyle. Carlos wants to breed. Gabrielle now needs to tell Carlos he can use her uterus as long as he tosses the prenup. What went in must come out nine months later...then she can get a divorce. I'm brilliant.

Maggie at November 29, 2004 06:26 PM

Er, I was agreeing with Parker. That way my post makes more sense.

Maggie at November 29, 2004 06:27 PM

Chuck, I love the haikus too. But I think I might have to drop them, although NOT BECAUSE CHARLIE DOESN'T LIKE THEM. ;)

I agree with what you say about Susan's character. I'm afraid she might start to wander into that ludicrous Ally McBeal territory.

freakgirl at November 29, 2004 07:41 PM

Yeah, Susan was the one major weak spot in last night's episode. It made no sense on any level. Why was she counting the money? why did she stuff it into her shirt? why did she run upstairs to look out the window? why did she get busy with Mike without asking the tough questions? I've liked that character well enough so far, but honestly, if Mike had shot her as Joe wanted, I would've been okay with it (Bree or Lynette being gone would've been a deal breaker for me).

Parker at November 29, 2004 10:11 PM

oh, I love Susan. I think they are overdoing it with the physical comedy aspect of her role, though. Teri Hatcher being on the show was one of the reasons I started watching. She was so great in "Soapdish". . . I'm getting off-track. Basically, I would miss her if she got killed off.

Gabrielle, however, is another story.

elizabeth at November 30, 2004 08:46 AM

SOAPDISH! Woot! Great movie.

freakgirl at November 30, 2004 09:17 AM
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