The Gabby-Carlos violence really bothered me. Man. That was really entirely too far. Carlos has always been on the edge before: I couldnt tell if he really loved Gabby and just couldnt tell how to make her happy/was oblivious or if he thought of her solely as property or what. But man.

At least if Gabby has the kid, it wont be obvious from his looks as to who the dad is. AND she would probably have the kid while Carlos was still in prison. Here's to hoping she has an abortion-- that'll be one of the first by a main character on a successful prime-time show!

megan. at April 11, 2005 10:43 AM

Interesting, megan. The show made a big point of mentioning that Carlos would be in jail for eight months. Guess we have some wacky hijinx to look forward to where Gabrielle tries to hide her pregnancy from Carlos, huh.

freakgirl at April 11, 2005 10:46 AM

I fell asleep for 10-15 minutes in the middle of the show last night (way too much yard work during the day!) Anyway, what exactly was Carlos making Gabby sign? I thought it must be something to do with the hospital but, I couldn't be sure.

Also, I LOVED that Carlos moved his money. I really dislike her character and I enjoy watching her NOT get away with something. If at least, for a little while.

Freakgirl, good point about Lynette's kids. It does make a lot of sense now on why she has discipline issues..

Also, would it be possible to just write Teri Hatcher off the show at this point? Her storyline is the reason I feel asleep in the first place.

Todd at April 11, 2005 10:57 AM

Todd: Carlos was making Gabrielle sign a post-nup.

kyle at April 11, 2005 11:07 AM

We had a hermaphrodite story on the bestseller list recently (Middlesex), so why not on a primetime soap(Dana-Zach)?

So why do Carlos and Gabrielle love each other again?

Did Susan and Mike have actual dates and good times or just misunderstandings and distrust?

Is there anything better than a recap titled with a show tune?


Michael at April 11, 2005 12:01 PM

Well, that was the title of the episode, so I'm not all that clever. I try to use the actual episode title when I post, but sometimes I forget.

Actually, go back and look and see; they name a lot of the episodes after show tunes. That crazy Marc Cherry!

freakgirl at April 11, 2005 12:11 PM

WOW.. I didn't even think of a transgender/sex change/hermaphrodite story line with Zach/Dana! I have a good friend and his name is Dana, so I never thought of it as a 'girl' name. Although, as I type this I don't know WHY I wouldn't think that. I just assumed the story line is about him being kidnapped.
I like the sex change at birth story even better.

Todd at April 11, 2005 12:19 PM

At least some questions were finally answered, eh? It didn't occur to me that the dead woman in the chest might be the woman Mike is looking for, but that could definitely be the case. Except... wouldn't Mike then know exactly what she was doing in that neighborhood and wouldn't the Young house be the only one he would need to search? I suppose she might not have told him. Anyway, to take it all a step further, if the dead woman is Mike's woman is Dana/Zach's mother, then is it possible that Mike is Dana/Zach's father?

Oh, and yeah, I never got the hermaphrodite or sex change vibe either. I figured they were trying to confuse us with a name that could be a guy but that most people consider as the name of a girl. But, really, if you are going to kidnap someone else's baby, why not give it a sex change to really throw people off track?

I had totally forgotten about Carlos switching Gabrielle's birth control pills until they reminded us last night. I assumed she would end up pregnant from episode one but just because that's what always happens on soaps when a woman is sleeping with two men. Honestly, if she is so deadset against having kids and she ends up pregnant, it seems like a no-brainer that she would have an abortion. Especially with Carlos in jail... Except if she is cut out of all his money, she has to realize that a kid would give her some leverage...

Cheri at April 11, 2005 12:28 PM

Not very important, but I'm still curious--does anyone think Andrew, Bree's son (I think that's his name), looks like the spitting little brother image of Zach from the O.C.??? I swear they have to be related...

Totally agree about Terri Hatcher's pointless existence, but I also just plain don't like her anyway... I think her story lines are always boring.

emily at April 11, 2005 12:31 PM

Some comments -

Yes, he does look just like Zach from The OC! Except Zach isn't evil. :)

I doubt that anyone would get a child a sex-change. Besides the fact that it's extremely difficult to go female to male, why would anyone do that to a kid? If they're going to go with that storyline, my bet would be that he's one of those people born with both parts. But, as was previously said, Dana can be a unisex name.

Why doesn't Gabrielle use a condom when she's cheating on her husband? I mean, ew.

Also, the suggestion that Mike could be Zach's father just blew my mind.

freakgirl at April 11, 2005 12:51 PM

Why doesn't Gabrielle use a condom when she's cheating on her husband? I mean, ew.

Because Gabrielle's a soul-less idiot? That's just my guess. This show is getting a little tiresome, these characters act ... well OUT of character so much that they don't even seem like human beings.

Joanne at April 11, 2005 03:34 PM

I can overlook the fact that these people don't even act human, because I watched the entire run of Melrose Place. You just have to have the right frame of mind. :)

freakgirl at April 11, 2005 03:35 PM

When did Gaby ever say she *doesn't* use a condom? For all we know, she's using one.

And if Zach was a boygirl when he was born, his parents may have just decided to make him a boy. But frankly, he would have clued in to this by now. So maybe he is stolen/kidnapped. (But gosh, they did a great job making me think about a gender reassignment situation...)

Next week: Bree to Andrew, "I'd love you even if you were a murderer." Uhm, he already IS one.

Keith at April 11, 2005 04:29 PM

heh, Keith, we said the same thing about Andrew.

I just assumed Gabrielle isn't using a condom because she's on the pill, plus, on the show, we always see her fall into bed crazily making out and then it cuts to the end. Condoms are never mentioned. But you're right, it's possible she's using them with Lawn Boy. I guess we'll find out.

freakgirl at April 11, 2005 05:23 PM

"Why doesn't Gabrielle use a condom when she's cheating on her husband? I mean, ew."
Love that line. Yo, cheat clean, ho!

The only reason I thought maybe Dana/Zach was born an intersex baby (e.g. the gonads say boy, but the genitals say...ummm...**tilts head**...well....) was that Mrs. Huber's sister (what IS her name, anyway?) said his name was "pretty" before or something to that effect. It left me with the impression that maybe they thought he was a girl at first. It's not a sex change then, just making everything match up.

Michael at April 11, 2005 07:51 PM

After reading all of the anti-Terri-Hatcher comments, I'm wonderng if y'all have heard about the possible of-air tensions between Terri and the other female cast memebers. I saw something on TV about a shoot for the cover of a magazine (maybe Vanity Fair?) that features all of the D.H. women. Apparently everyone was adamant that Terri Hatcher NOT be in the middle of the photo and that she not be allowed to go to wardrobe first. The writer of the article started exploring the relationship between the women and it seems a bit rocky. Of course, this is in direct contrast to the image given when they were all on the Oprah show. Everyone loves each other on Oprah. :) Got to loooooooooooove some off-screen drama... Well, maybe.

Lara K-W at April 12, 2005 08:42 AM

Lara, US Magazine did a whole story on that last week (the one with Brad and Angelina on the cover) and according to that story, the one most upset with Terri getting preferential treatment is Marcia Cross. She called her agent or manager up at the shoot bitching that Terri was going first in the wardrobe or something. The article made it seem like Terri wasn't pulling any shit, and it was really Marcia that had a bug up her ass.

Rona at April 12, 2005 09:53 AM

Yeah, I read that Marcia threw a giant hissy over basically nothing.

I actually like Terri Hatcher and her character. It's just that she's got nothing to do right now since she's not with Mike anymore.

freakgirl at April 12, 2005 10:47 AM

I don't think any hermy-transgender business is going on because if you will remember, the baby blanket that said "Dana" was yellow. Yellow is a unisex colour. If Zach used to be Dana the Pretty Girl, I believe that blanket would have been pink. The blanket was decidedly NOT blue so that we would fall for the Dana-the-dead-sister storyline.

I thought of the fact that perhaps Zach was kidnapped, but what I think happened was that Zach witnessed his parents do something horrible that they then covered up by brainwashing him into believing he did it himself (killing Dana). Learning that he himself is Dana proves that he is one innocent yet extremely warped little kid.

The violence comparison was pretty interesting. You had Leslie Warren using Bob Newhart's "shove" as a weapon, accusing him of abuse. In comparison we get to see a real shove, wherein Carlos uses violence to physically force his wife to do something.

I have a difficult time accusing Carlos of being a cut-and-dried abusive man because their marriage and relationship has degenerated over time due to lack of respect, extreme stress (jail and bankruptcy) and dishonesty, on both parts. Not defending, but not accusing either. Gabrielle is definitely no victim.

Wow, Leslie Ann Warren is looking old? I can't believe how young she makes Terri Hatcher look in comparison!

I have hated Terri Hatcher in everything after Soapdish and now I'm glad to say that I just hated her characters. Even though Susan is a bit of a cliche she is endearing, in an I-can't-believe-I'm-endeared-by-the-cliche-character kind of way.

Maggie at April 13, 2005 09:01 AM

Also wanted to comment on spanking. I believe in spanking used a as a tool in a certain situation. I believe in never making empty threats if you ever want your children to trust you. I don't imagine that children MUST be spanked to learn discipline (even though I decided to spank when necessary, I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually done it) but the real danger in Lynette's situation was the "or else!" crap. Even the world's stupidest kid is going to figure out that their mom is full of shit eventually.

Maggie at April 13, 2005 09:07 AM

Yep, it was the empty threats that bothered me. Especially since Lynette claims to be against spanking because she was hit as a child - then why threaten your kids with the same thing? Like you said, her kids aren't dumb and know she'd never spank them.

freakgirl at April 13, 2005 09:30 AM
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