Apple II+ computers are ancient now? Damn, I feel old.
I kept waiting for someone to finish the little smiley face cursor like this:
Jack's patient was his wife, no?
I was a little disappointed that it was Desmond in the hatch. It would have been nice if it had been someone tied in from a flashback from last season. Like, say, Swoozie Kurtz. That would have RULED. Imagine finding Swoozie Kurtz in a bunker making smoothies and grooving to Mama Cass! I'd stay on that island FOREVER!
(I'm rambling. It's late. I appreciated that this episode featured at least a bit of ante-uppage. I was ready to dump Lost next week when Veronica Mars starts but now I'm thinking I may need to download one from teh internets instead of dropping it!)
Serious creep-out moments there....
Didn't Jack meet the running buddy not that long before the plane crash? I mean, relatively speaking. So why was the guy hiding out down there with stuff from the 70s-80s?
And how come no one seemed that concerned about the huge "QUARANTINE" label on the door to the hatch?
Too early for questions I suppose. I still totally dug the episode.
He's the devil in disguise, ( the mysterious stranger) these folks are all on another plain, not heaven and yet not hell
Yes, his patient was his wife. We still haven't found out what happened to her or their marriage.
I assumed the stuff in the bunker was old because it was salvaged and I'm guessing Desmond comes and goes from there...at the beginning when I still thought the bunker scene was a flashback I thought they made a mistake because the washing machines he had down there were rather current. They looked like these:
I noticed them because I covet them.
Brian, I agree somewhat. Remy and I were discussing that we thought it would have been more interesting (and less convenient) for the show to have introduced Desmond last season.
We also wondered if the other crash survivors also know Desmond in some form or another. Is he what links them all, the reason they're there? Does he have something to do with those numbers?
That Desmond was the guy was the weakest part of the show but, otherwise, really really strong.
After a long summer, I would've liked a little more story for the other characters and I simply don't understand why nobody takes Hurley seriously when he talks about the numbers.
That said, I never thought they could have come up with anything satisfying for the hatch but they totally did. I never thought there'd be a crazy dude biding his time down with a serum and some classic tunes.
I'd have to guess that's the same "super strength" serum that Ethan got his power from.
And, just like that, they completely expanded the world and possibilities for the show this season.
Now when do we get to talk about Invasion?
Desmond creeped me out. I wonder if we will begin to see him in other people's flashbacks. As for how long he's been in the hatch, maybe when Jack saw him in the stadium, he wasn't real - perhaps some sort of projection? He did seem to come out of nowhere.
Questions - Where is he getting eggs and flour? Drove me nuts all episode. Why was "Quarantine" on the INSIDE of the hatch door?
I was disconcerted by Locke calling Hurley Hugo too, Maggie, and thought maybe I missed something. And poor Hurley; the only person that's ever taken him seriously is the crazy French lady.
Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but I thought that Locke always called Hurley 'Hugo'.....He just happen to interact with him alot in last nights episode.
I LOVED this episode. I loved everything about it. Are you kidding me? Adored. I wanna gargle with LOST. During that whole initial scene I kept thinking it was a flashback and which castaway was this? Even after the explosion I had no idea this was happening down the hatch! I was blown away; jumping out of my chair with all the goodness. Also, I think it was actually pretty cool that Jack had met the dude before. We’ve spent a lot of time establishing the “Jack is a man of science” deal and now he comes face to face with something that will surely rock this foundation.
Answers lead to more and more questions. Love it.
Harnessing the awesome power of TiVo I rewound the scene with the serum/steroid (?) bottles a few times to see that the label was pretty nondescript ("Rx #1," "for injection") with the exception of the numbers: 4 8 15 16 23 42
I didn't think it was weak at all that Desmond was the guy in the hatch. He obviously is some sort of mystical entity, so why not? Although at first I thought he was going to be Danielle's kid. Any thoughts on the bunker being salvaged stuff from the French ship? Also - is Desmond the reason Locke can walk?
Not weak that Desmond was the man inside the hatch, but rather, weak that he was introduced to us conveniently in the previous act. Like Maggie said earlier in the comments, introduce him last season, have us forget about him, and then BAM! Knock us on our asses.
I loved this episode quite a lot and felt like we were just getting right back up on the horse. Aside from a few clunky moments, I was sucked back in immediately. In my opinion, this episode would have made a better season finale cliff-hanger for last year. Just a BIT more information (mainly what's in the hatch, which seemed to be the biggest bone of contention with people who were let down by the finale), but still leaving us with a WTF?!?! feeling for the summer.
GREAT first episode! It's like they hit a turbo button to start the season. I love that Desmond was the guy and knew it as soon as he sat down next to Jack on the stairs. I screamed "That's the guy from the hatch!!!" I think he definitely comes and goes, perhaps to draw in new batches of people for whatever the hellinn going on there. Deb, a far as the flour and eggs go, there's so much we don't know at this point there's nothing really we could rule out. The others could certtainly be raising chickens and they could have tons of dry foods stored in the hatch or elsewhere. Did homegirl really see Walt? I'm 50-50 on that. It would make sense that if the others were the pirates then Walt could certainly have been brought straight back to the island. But if he'd simply gotten free, he would've probably ran into Shannon's arms or something instead of disapperaing into thin air. Or, maybe the others gave him a shot of the wacky juice and he was all f**ked up from that. As far as the injection goes, I don't think it necessarily means it's a steroid although it would help explain Ethan's seemingly super-human strength.
Ugh, SO much to get through here....
First off, the episode RULED. You know, neither the season finale or the premiere this year felt like "event" episodes, you know? It felt like the could have one could have followed the other a week later seamlessly. I don't know if I'm explaining it right... I also like how we saw nothing of the raft. It would have broken it up too much to show both. I'm betting next week's episode will be all raft and no islanders.
Okay, on to evidence and speculation:
- A local radio station played what Walt to CLaire said backwards this morning, and it clearly said: "Don't push the button - the button is bad." (I assume the button is "execute"?)
- "Quarantine" on the inside of the door? Sounds to me like it's the OUTSIDE that's in quarantine, not inside. An attempt to keep something out, not in. And I think the mysterious serum that Desmond was injecting is a vaccine against whatever has "infected" the island. (Same thing that infected Danielle's crew?)
- As soon as I saw Desomnd in the stadium, I knew immediately her was the dude on the island. Same hair and general body-type. But that raises the question, how long has he been there? The architecture in his living space looks late 60s, the computers all look to be 20-25 years old, but Jack's flashback was probably in the mid-90s. So, either Desmond was some sort of astral projection in the stadium (Which means he'll have no idea who Jack is?) or whatever corporation or research facility that owns this place (Did you all catch the hexagonal/octagonal logo on the cabinet and jumpsuit?) has access to put new staff in. But if they have that kind of access, why not update the equipment? (Plus, in those corridors, you have crap all over the halleas, like those buckets, and water dripping everywhere...not good upkeep.)
I was really disappointed in this episode. I called immediate bullshit on the guy in the hatch being the same guy from the stadium. I mean, COME ON.
And I don't give two shits about Jack's broken wife/patient. Why couldn't they show up what is up with Sawyer & crew? Or the others?
And I did notice that about Hurley being called Hugo, Maggie, it was weird.
I do have to say I had one problem with the episode. Jack's hair. At first I was like "oh - they had his grow his hair for the flashback to make him look younger - nice touch" and then as the scenes went on it looked more and more fake. If they're going to us a wig can't they do a better one? Or was it just crazy helmet hair? I know - silly detail, but...
Jack's hair did look silly, but it reminded me of Charlie Salinger, so I was fine with it. :)
As for Walt, I figured since we know he has weird psychic powers that manifest when he is under extreme stress, he made himself appear to Shannon. The dog led Shannon to "see" Walt.
Also, Sun's panic when she heard Shannon talking, "Do you think something happened to them?" was heartbreaking...she is worried about her husband.
Oh, and one more thing - the backstory with Sarah. Necessary because, as I read on another board, we needed to see the accident because the man who was driving the SUV and died was Shannon's father.
I think so too, about Walt. I'm sure he wasn't really there. That backwards, "don't push the button" stuff is awesome!
How do we know about the man in the SUV being Shannon's father? I don't remember from last season.
Here's a picture of the logo I mentioned:
Looks totally like the I Ching.
I think freakgirl just spoiled us! I do not remember that little tidbit of info AT ALL from last season. Is it on the DVDs maybe? Or am I just forgetful?
I didn't catch it either, but everyone on TWoP is openly discussing the fact that the man in the SUV was referred to as Mr. Rutherford - Shannon's last name. Fuck, I don't think that's a spoiler, but if it is, I will go kick my own ass.
EDITED TO ADD: Just went back and watched the ER scene. They refer to him as Mr. Rutherford twice and put his age at 57.
Why are people upset that Desmond is the guy from the stadium and the hatch? What am I missing? I don't think it's supposed to be some eye-rolling coincidence - this dude had something to do with Jack being there. This is the plot of the show. Deb, I thought Locke always called Hurley Hugo. His real name wasn't a secret or anything, Locke just used the formal instead of the nickname.
That's not a spoiler. I was wondering where the connection came from. I didn't remember Shannon's last name, and I didn't pay any attention to what they called the man in the ER scene. Cool.
I thought this episode was really great, being that it was a 2nd season premeire of a show that is so hyped up. Lots of edge-of-your-seat-bite-your-nails action AND funny Hurley. What could be better? I guess they'll cover raft action next week.
Some observations from tvguide.com's watercooler that I thought were interesting:
For all my fellow number junkies out there, didja notice that in addition to the injection label, the speedometer on the bike was at 16 MPH, when Desmond stopped the safe it looked like it was at 42, the mural on the wall had a painted 108 (the total of all the numbers added together) and that the older person who died in the accident with Jack's future wife passed on at 8:15?
His real name WAS a secret. Hurley made a big deal out of not telling anyone what it was back when he was checking the survivors against the manifest.
Well, it was a secret to most, but someone knew. I thought it was Locke because I swear he's been calling him Hugo for a while now.
my pet theory on why locke knows hurley's real name...locke worked for a box company. hurley owned a box company. locke knows hurley's real name from his paycheck!
I'm with Chuck on this one....I thought I remembered Locke calling him Hugo for some time now.
PRS, that's what I was thinking, too. While Locke may have known who Hurley is, Hurley certainly wouldn't have known Locke...and since Hurley was sensitive about his name, I'd have thought he'd have made a bigger deal about being addressed that way.
I think the reason no one takes Hurley very seriously when it comes to the numbers is a part of the numbers mojo (or if you prefer - their curse). Sort of like Cassandra from the old myths - condemned to tell the truth but no one will believe until it's too late. It's almost like the number deflect attention from themselves and only Hurley can really "see" them.
I don't think it sucked that Desmond was the guy in the hatch. I think it was a little weak how he was introduced and then revealed. It is unlike Lost to sell a plot twist that openly.
Especially because when he had the gun on Locke and we can only see the hands, I thought they could be a woman's hands and would have loved it being the french woman on Michelle Rodriguez or Sarah or Kate or something else completely.
I forgot how totally attractive Evangeline Lily is. My goodness she's a looker.
I'm in for Walt as astral or psychic projection.
What do you think Desmond typed in that morning?
And I totally didn't catch the Mr. Ruthorford thng. Nice connection. Which raises a whole set of other questions.
Locke called Hurley Hugo in the season finale last year, methinks. Wasn't Locke party to the "My real name is Hugo Reyes. My friends call me Hurley. Why? I'm not tellin'." conversation?
I thought this episode sucked. And I am by far the most obsessive one here. [Hi, thefuselage.com? BFF.] I called bullshit on Desmond, too. So bad I don't even CARE what happens next week. Except that I want to see what happened to the rafters. The islanders? I'm over it.
Sara's fiance was a mega-douche. Thumbs down to that dude.
Also -- can we get a Lost thread on the TMFT boards? I get confused with all the comments here. ha.
Yes, I'll add a Lost thread. But we'll also keep comments attached to episode posts. You can use the board maybe for speculation and spoiler discussion if anyone is into that.
There's a link on bookslut.com that says the book The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien is important to one of the plot lines this season. Which could explain why Desmond can live forever down in the hatch. And possibly why he has an exercise bike.
It seems that many of these people's lives have intersected at some point. Why is it such bullshit that Jack had run into this guy before? Seriously, I'm asking. I don't get it.
I think some folks aren't happy with the fact that he was introduced and "revelaed" in the same ep. But I don't get the problem with that either. To each their own right? I thought the whole episode was freakin great.
Ok, I've just been a TREMENDOUS GEEK and watched all of the Desmond stuff almost frame by frame. I've noticed quite a few additional things. Um hay.
1 - He wakes up to start his day in the middle of the night.
2 - It looks like someone else is living there with him. The bottom bunk looks occupied.
During his pullups you can see 2 kinds of detergent - liquid and powder. No one has both. (or do they?)
There are several pistols gone in the gun rack.
3 - Strangely, it looks like there's a tennis racket on the chair in his living room.
4 - When he typed that shit in to the apple II it was definitely some kind of code. It was 1 or 2 letters at a time, spaced in between. He's activating something 1st thing.
5 - The stuff he shoots up is labeled "Multiple Dose Vial". But he shoots the whole megillah.
6 - Someone may have mentioned this, but the same logo is on the drug cabinet and his jumpsuit. Some kind of yin yang octagon.
Now when he sees Jack at the stadium.
1 - He seems to come from nowhere. There's quite a few shots from various angles looking back where Desmond should be, but he's not there.
2 - I guess he's Irish no? Maybe TV Scottish?
3 - The 2 most important things he said were "Lift it up" and "See you in another life."
Lift it up I think was definitely supposed to mean God. Chistians are always saying to "lift it up to God". But he played it off like he meant his ankle. Also, the name of the episode is "man of Science Man of God". Jack is obviously the man of science, so there you have it.
"See you in another life" might be just that. Maybe somebody in this equation is really dead? Or was already dead. I'm just sayin.
Other notes - The whole magnet thing - it looked liked just a giant magnet stuck in the ground. Stange.
The wall mural - the numbers again, a series of ocean waves, the sun, the christian fish, a person's face, the word SICK. Very creepy.
Finally, Walt seemed like whatever he said was played in reverse. I bet a million bucks it says something real when played backwards. I don't have the technology though.
Chuck, you are awesome.
Upthread, Joey Jo Jo posted this:
"- A local radio station played what Walt to CLaire said backwards this morning, and it clearly said: "Don't push the button - the button is bad." (I assume the button is "execute"?)"
I had Desmond pegged at Scottish, but I'm not great at deciphering accents.
Chuck, I'm with you on this.
So Jack was kinda responsible for the death of Shannon's father? And said death precipitated meeting his fiance? That was clever. Desmond? Not so much.
I think my issue with introducing and revealing him in the same episode has more to do with fearing JJ's Alias-esque tendencies to not know where he's going with the story.
Maggie was right, that was a grey-colored Duet washer/dryer. Wonder if that's important...
Now someone else on TWoP said that Boone mentioned last season that he met his stepfather, so the guy who died probably wasn't Shannon's father. But this person also mentioned that Shannon has been married before. Was that her husband? Another sugar daddy?
I guess we'll find out.
Oh, and I feel I should mention that I have both liquid and powder detergents. Judge me as you will. I can take it.
Chris Griffin voice - "You're weird Maggie".
Here's a clip of Walt forward and backward - he's definitely saying "don't press the button, the button is bad". CREEPY
I can't believe I'm defending my own comment but I guess I feel like I should: My problem with Desmond being in the stadium and on the island is that it was practically spoon fed to the viewers. It was out of step with the rest of the structure of the series. And, personally, I will be disappointed if they take this further down the metaphysical highway which is what this appears to be. I'm a logic and ration kinda girl, and I want them to surprise me with clever, realistic explanations for all this crazy stuff we are seeing. If it's God or aliens or something, that's like a cop out instead of good writing, in my opinion.
And what this may all end up meaning is that Lost is not the cousin for me.
Julie, I read an interview at the end of last season with Abrams/Lindeloff where they stated that everything on the island has a rational explanation.
"So the survivors are not in purgatory and it's not a dream. And producers say there is a logical explanation for everything."
I don't know if that really makes you feel any better...but I thought maybe it would give you some hope. ;)
I think maybe Julie needs to brace for some disappointment. :)
In my opinion, there is just no way that there is not a supernatural element of some kind to what's happening. A rational explanation doesn't necessarily mean that science and what is possible in our real world will be at the centre of the story. Personally, as long as it makes SENSE, that's rational enough for me. In my mind, this show has been "sci-fi" from the very beginning. I'm not looking or a "real world" solution to what's happening to these kids. The freakier the better, just as long as it MAKES SENSE. Keep me engaged with three dimensional, logical characters, who make decisions like real people, and are consistent in those decisions (which I admit, they have dropped the ball on a couple of times), and I will follow them as they travel straight down Gumdrop Lane in Happyland to the Land of Chocolate. That's the mark of good writing, in my opinion.
Oh, and this goes right back to the very first post in these comments, WAY back by brian w, that cursor on the Apple II computer DID look evil!
I was very pleased with the first show. I suspected Desmond was going to be holding the gun, but who cares? Even though I have some issues with the show (why oh why did they use such a bad wig?), it is still better than 100 shows that are new this and last season. It may be unrealisic to think a show is going to be exactly like it would be if you wrote it> unless you are JJ Abrams. ;)
I thought it was a great first episode. Lots of plot movement, and still lots of suspense in terms of wondering what happened to the guys on the raft, the other/pirates, etc.
My big question is whether Desmond was the guy Hurley got the numbers from in the nut house.
I liked that they showed the magnet; when they first found the hatch and Sayid's compass didn't work, I knew there had to be something big and magnetic underground. I'm guessing one of the things that Desmond operates is the monster/robot...
How did I last all summer without this show? How will I be able to wait until next week? ;)
You're a girl of science, Julie, as I am (hee), but maybe we should be girls of faith a lil' bit, just like John Locke. It's fun!
Actually, the episode was called "Man of Science, Man of Faith." I took it as a throwback to Locke in the season finale:
Locke: You're a man of science, Jack.
Jack: And what does that make you?
Locke: Me? Well, I'm a man of faith.
But probably JJ was being clever and having TWO men of faith.
Why is walt so damn creepy?
Tricia, the guy Hurley got the numbers from was featured in an episode from last season and was definitely NOT Desmond. Although, come to think of it, there's no reason that THAT guy couldn't have gotten the numbers from Desmond...or the guy before that...or...
Did anybody catch it when Jack asked Desmond what he was training for, and Desmond said something along the lines of "A race across the world" ? I immediately said 'MASTER RACE!MASTER RACE!' Could have something to do with the injections. Guesses about what Desmond's shooting up: Steroids-nah,too easy. Vitamin D possibly because the lack of sunlight? Some sort of blood coagulator to counter the huge magnet in the hatch? Adrenaline- could explain some of the super strength. I thought this episode was an amazing opener.
Caro, that's a great point. I did catch it, but promptly forgot. It's almost Wednesday...