I thought Jin was yelling "Others."

I wasn't thrilled with this episode. What did we learn? That Michael lost Walt. We already knew that. Not the strongest episode, IMO.

I didn't catch this on my own, but the shark had a logo branded onto its tail. Same logo from the hatch. I'll get a screencap up.

freakgirl at September 29, 2005 01:00 PM

I thought Jin was yelling 'others'...

Anyway, great show again...can't wait to see how many other survivors from the back of the plane made it too.

todd at September 29, 2005 01:01 PM

I thought Jin was saying "others." Then again, I had to rewind three times before I understood what Desmond was saying when he said the snowman thing...

Rain at September 29, 2005 01:01 PM

OMIGOD. We all posted the same thing at the same time.

"Lost" is blowing my mind all over again!!!

Rain at September 29, 2005 01:01 PM

Sorry for the delay, but I didn't have a chance to watch the episode until this morning. Also, I had to watch it piecemeal, so I didn't get any sense of flow, continuity or suspense. Was it good in that regard?

So it seems that Jack recognized Desmond, but not the other way around. At least, not yet.

Maggie at September 29, 2005 01:02 PM

I had to rewind 3 times to make out the snowman comment, too. And you guys are definitely right, I watched Jin without sound and the Closed Captioning said, "Others."

Maggie at September 29, 2005 01:04 PM

How about in the past snap-shot, Michael tried to give Walt a White Teddy Bear - the same as the Polar Bear from last season?

ara at September 29, 2005 01:12 PM

If that was a storage room then shouldn't it have been a whole lot bigger if that guy has been down there 16+ years? Now my mind is churning as to WHAT #108 means.

Grace at September 29, 2005 01:16 PM

I thought it was a stuffed polar bear...

love this show.

is that the shark/logo screencap? I can't make it out.

Soosan at September 29, 2005 01:16 PM

Yes, that is the end of the shark - to the left is its tail. The other object is Sawyer trying to get on the pontoon.

Grace, 108 is the sum of The Numbers. You probably already knew that...we can't figure out what 108 is either. Does he have to reset the computer every 108 minutes? Hours? And speaking of the numbers, could Hurley be "HIM?"

freakgirl at September 29, 2005 01:38 PM


So, besides being awesome, he could also be 'HIM'...that is almost too much for me to handle!

todd at September 29, 2005 01:41 PM

We paused on the shark logo, and to me, it looked a little different than the DHARMA logo. Or maybe it was just missing the DHARMA name...

Last night's episode wasn't the greatest. Mostly because if was just a lot of Michael and Sawyer arguing. Bleh. But I still don't care about getting a ton of mysteries solved each week. I like being in the dark.

mchenrmd at September 29, 2005 01:43 PM

still can't make it out.. is it like one of those 3d pictures where you have to "unfocus" your eyes? :D

Hurley as him?? DUN DUN dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Poor Walt, I hope his captors are at least treating him to some s'mores.

Soosan at September 29, 2005 01:44 PM

Can you explain to me about DHARMA? Where did we hear about a DHARMA corporation? I feel like I missed something important.

freakgirl at September 29, 2005 01:45 PM

Sorry, Soosan. The best I can do is tell you that the top half of the screen is a shark, and that octagon-shape in the middle is a brand or tattoo right on the shark.

freakgirl at September 29, 2005 01:46 PM

no worries, I trust you on this one. So another security system probably is what I'm thinking.

Soosan at September 29, 2005 01:47 PM

freakgirl, DHARMA is written on the logo we've been seeing all over Desmond's bunker(although I don't think it's on the logo on the shark - maybe that's just bad CG). To the best of my knowledge, we don't know a thing about DHARMA - is it a corporation? an institution? a government agency? I don't think we know the answer yet. Do we? I've been reading up on "dharma" on this page:


Its relevance to the show? Haven't figured that out yet.

I agree with those who didn't think it was one of their better efforts, but I did enjoy all of the Desmond/Locke/Kate scenes. As much as I love Sawyer, the raft scenes really grated on me, mostly because I thought Michael was being a huge baby and treating Sawyer unfairly, especially since Sawyer just saved his life; and partly because I thought they were poorly acted. And the flashbacks were pretty much unnecessary except to drive home the point that Michael has no intention of letting Walt go this time around.

But all of the raft nonsense was worth it to see Jin, very much alive, running at them on the beach, screaming about the "Udders".

On a personal note, I could practically taste the chocolate as Kate took a bite of that candy bar. I got braces put on on July 15 and I haven't eaten a piece of candy since, longer than they've been on that island!

gina at September 29, 2005 02:15 PM

The thing that I can't figure out is how the writers all keep saying that there's an explanation to everything that isn't supernatural but... By the hash marks on the wall and the computer equipment and record player, it seems like he's been there since the 80s. But the flashback with Jack was presumably in the mid to late 90s. So, barring anything metaphysical - how was he in he stadium??

I'm thinking 'execute' did something bad aboveground, based on the previews for next week's show where Locke is staring at the computer asking the island what he did wrong like he did when Boone died.

genevieve at September 29, 2005 02:30 PM

Here is the logo from the inside of the hatch:


Isn't that the same logo on the shark, pretty much?

freakgirl at September 29, 2005 02:35 PM

If Hurley = him, is the magic word then "Dude"?

yahtzee at September 29, 2005 02:43 PM

Did we learn anything new from this episode? The most exciting thing that occurred happened during the last five seconds. I think they just suckered us even more the finale did.

Kandis at September 29, 2005 02:44 PM

I came up with a pet theory this morning that I have to share with everybody, just in case I happen to be right ...

What if Walt's bug-eyed mother is part of the "conspiracy"? What if she isn't really dead? What if she wasn't ever really a lawyer, and was never working for a "law firm" in Europe? What if Walt is the way he is because of something she is or something she did -- pre-natal experiments or something? What if Michael was hand-picked as a good genetic father for Walt, because of his creative and artistic abilities, which would give Walt the tools he needed to make the most of the "powers" he has? And (drum roll) ...

What if Walt's mother shows up on the island? After all, neither we nor Michael ever saw her die. And unlike Jack's father, we never even saw a body. So for all we know, she's still out there somewhere.

Wouldn't you just shit?

For me, this would totally justify this last seemingly slow-moving episode, which went out of its way to make the mother look sympathetic, and to further pound into our heads the "facts" of their whole family history.

What does everybody think?

Genevieve, just because all that stuff has been down there since the 80s doesn't necessarily mean that Desmond has been down there that long ... does it? Maybe Desmond was a replacement for the previous person, and the "him" that he's waiting for is his own replacement? Just a thought.

GeekBoy at September 29, 2005 02:56 PM

Alright I'm going to go out on a limb here. It seems that the island is protected. It has a security system.

Wouldn't one of the feasible means of security, if someone was trying to come by water, be sharks?

If so would that mean that they are in an enclosed are around the island? The obviously couldn't be effective if allowed to swim back in to open water.

I know that's filled with holes the size of, well huge holes. The sharks would have fed on all of the prey in such an area, which would mean no fish to be caught by those on the island. Unless the perimeter of the 'shark tank' was only a certain portion of the water way.

I haven't posted in awhile, maybe that's adding to my craziness, but I don't think that having the shark w/ the same company logo would be an oversite.

mason at September 29, 2005 02:56 PM

I am completely flummoxed by the direction of these first two episodes. Last week, we got a backstory about how Jack met his wife, which we already knew. This week, we get a flashback about how Michael lost his kid, which we already knew. All this addtional material did nothing, in my opinion, to deepen their characters or shed light on their stories. I feel like I'm just seeing deleted scenes from last year interspersed with a few new bits to keep us happy. I don't understand this absence of real storytelling.

oolookitty at September 29, 2005 03:37 PM

Geekboy... and Michael was on the flight bc of the wife's death too no?

I like that it doesn't matter how bizarre our theories are, they are all entirely plausible.

Soosan at September 29, 2005 03:41 PM

Soosan, I was thinking that last night - about Michael's guilt. He LET her take Walt to Australia. If Walt hadn't been in Australia, they wouldn't have been on the doomed flight and Walt wouldn't have been kidnapped. I'm assuming seeing all those flashbacks last night were meant to hammer those points home - Michael can blame Sawyer all he wants, but deep down he feels like he is the one who caused all this in the first place by giving up his rights to his own son.

freakgirl at September 29, 2005 03:48 PM

Soosan, that's a great point - the craziest shit we come uo with could totally be going to happen.
I thought he said "seaman", not "snowman"?

Joanne at September 29, 2005 03:51 PM

exactly joanne. The Dharma name? Coincidence... not at all... I think Dharma of the "hit" show (Dharma and Greg..) is going to show up on the island and wreack some cosmic karmic havoc!

Soosan at September 29, 2005 03:54 PM

What's she going to do, show up and annoy everyone to death? ;)

freakgirl at September 29, 2005 04:06 PM


Soosan at September 29, 2005 04:10 PM

the answer to the riddle: what did one snowman say to the other snowman?
do you smell carrots?

sar at September 29, 2005 08:21 PM

also, the REALLY REALLY nice people on the Something Awful forums did an assload of research on 108/dharma. it seems that 108 is the "most divine" number. i'll post the explanation once i can refind it. those people are worse than we are.

sar at September 29, 2005 08:30 PM

photo update... on my computer at home the shark logo is very clear... it makes so much more sense to me now.

i can see clearly now... yadda yadda you get the idea

Soosan at September 29, 2005 10:35 PM

I love this site because you guys totally surprised me - I loved this episode and I thought everyone else would too! I don't think of it as a lack of storytelling - we got to see the same events but from different angles (sometimes literally, like when Kate was up above in the ventilation systems), which I thought was cool and gave us the opportunity to ruminate. I can see how some might findit frustrating that we didn't move forward in time from the last episode, but myself I love me an opportunity to overthink.

I am excited about the transition in my expectations for the show, too. Initially my main focus was "how are they going to get off this island?" But this season, I'm more interested in finding out what the heck is going on than getting these people back to their normal lives. It seems like a promising season to me. We're settling into island life.

Sandy at September 29, 2005 10:56 PM

I'm so impressed at those who caught the shark logo the first go 'round. It's a like an Easter egg for those with TiVo!

brigita at September 30, 2005 07:59 AM

Sandy, I think you hit the nail on the head. This season is definitely shaping up to be more about the characters delving deeper into the island (literally), and less about getting off of it. And that being the case, maybe the same will go with some of the flashbacks -- they may sometimes just go deeper into what we already know, without necessarily wow'ing us with something new and revelatory every week.

If so, I can live with that. Even on a "slow" week it's still better than most of what's on TV right now, just because I love the characters and the premise so much.

GeekBoy at September 30, 2005 08:27 AM

Just saw it last night. A bit slow in parts maybe, and Sawyer and Michael were annoying, but they were pretty annoying all last season too. Geekboy, you may be on to something with the mom. I've been thinking the same thing ever since Desmond came along. To see that means that there's no telling how far reaching this thing is. If Desmond was on the outside and perhaps helped start a chain of events that would get Jack on the island (my opinion), then maybe there are many others that could have been doing the same thing - Walt's mom. As far as the logo on the shark goes, pretty cool. I was wondering if it was just a normal real shark, a mechanical security "machine" shark, or a real shark that'd been modified somehow to act as a perimeter security force. What made me think mechanical is the combo of sounds we heard from the "monster" - dinosaur type roaring and the roller coaster chain when Locke got pulled in. But, if they were mechanical, they weren't very good ones were they? Seems like they had plenty of opportunity to kill. UNLESS they're trying to just get everyone back on the island and not kill them. If that's the case, then nice job sharks. All I know is, the sight of the Others creeping up with friggin Snake Plissken Mad Max woop ass clubs made me want to jump out a window.

chuck at September 30, 2005 09:36 AM

They looked a little like zombies. I've read speculation on other boards that they're not the Others, but the other survivors. I don't know. They seemed "off" in some way. I am really excited about seeing the tail-end passengers now...hoping that Rose is finally reunited with her husband.

freakgirl at September 30, 2005 09:46 AM

Well, in the sneak peek for next week,


we saw Michael getting put into a ditch cell with one of the other survivors, so if the OTHERS are in fact the other passengers, then they've turned on each other - maybe it's the sickness, they certainly looked sick and creepy. Also, the girl in the cell was the one Jack talked to in the airport bar - Rosario Dawson lite.

chuck at September 30, 2005 10:01 AM

Michelle Rodriguez, yep. I was thinking about that, too. There could be an interesting dynamic if Jack's side of the island has remained relatively orderly, but the survivors on the other side of the island have descended into Lord of the Flies.

freakgirl at September 30, 2005 10:04 AM

Yay, Jersey City's own Michelle Rodriguez! I'm confused, though, about the Others. If Danielle has been there for a long time, aren't the Others to which she refers people that have been there as long as she? Are there other Others? God I love this show but I spend WAY too much time thinking about it. I wonder about the shark too, I would assume it's a real shark, since the gun seemed to kill it.
And ITA with you, Sandy, about it being so much more than how are they going to get off the island. I thought that this week when Desmond ask Locke how long they had been on the island and he said 37 days or whatever, and it occurred to me that when the show first started, I thought it would be good but I thought how are they going to have it not be Gilligan's Island? How wrong I was!

Joanne at September 30, 2005 12:17 PM

I wouldn't mind the return to the characters' issues if I felt as though they *were* deepening our insight into the characters. I didn't get that with either Jack or Michael... the flashbacks to me felt more like a revisit than a deepening. It's a bad sign for me when, halfway through an episode, I pick up a book.

And structuring the story so that you have to go back to see what Kate and Locke were doing before Jack got there... well, it better be something more interesting than hiding and eating candy bars. If you're going to hold a story point for a later reveal, then please reveal something interesting, or that sheds a new light on what Jack has walked into. For me, it didn't. I was... well... bored.

oolookitty at September 30, 2005 03:19 PM

Ok, I posted this on The Fuselkage as well and I'm surprised no one else has noticed. I may be wrong, but it looks like below the symbol and to teh right on the shark is what looks like a primitive cave drawing of a human being walking. What could that be? Am I completely nuts here?

chuck at September 30, 2005 04:14 PM

Are you talking about the screencap? Because those are Sawyer's legs in the water as he's trying to climb up onto the pontoon. If you're talking about something else and I'm just stating the obvious, then I apologize. And I have no idea what you're referring to.

Maggie at September 30, 2005 05:34 PM

Yeah, if you're talking about the screencap I have up there, that's Sawyer.

freakgirl at September 30, 2005 05:44 PM

Ok, I know I'm not going crazy. Directly under the logo is some kind of shape. It's black and looks like a primitive rendering of a man walking, 2 legs, 2 feet, a torso and an arm - is it some kind of tattoo on sawyer? I thought he had jeans on. Does anyone else see this? Am I going crazy?

chuck at September 30, 2005 06:16 PM

AHHHH! Nevermind, I saw a cleaner pic on another site - I see that it's Sawyer way in the background toward the surface. So they were arms and legs afterall! It was like the picture you look at and you think it's a lady with a funny hat on, but it's really a rabbit eating a fish.

chuck at September 30, 2005 06:22 PM

"is it some kind of tattoo on sawyer?"

::falls down laughing at Chuck::


Maggie at September 30, 2005 06:55 PM

Ok ok, go ahead and laugh.

chuck at October 1, 2005 08:59 AM

"well, it better be something more interesting than hiding and eating candy bars."

I think the chocolate bars are going to be Significant. She took food from a Quarantine area, which does not seem wise to me AT ALL. I think she and the other islanders we know who eat them are going to wind up sick.

Greater Czarina at October 2, 2005 01:10 PM
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