Is the guy playing Bernard the same actor from WKRP in Cincinnati? :) I think so... (I could be wrong)

Soosan at October 13, 2005 07:58 AM

He wasn't in WKRP but he was in Growing Pains, ER and was the school principal in Forrest Gump.

DaisyLou2 at October 13, 2005 08:16 AM

oh, HIM! Thanks Daisy.

So another great episode, confirming what many people thought... those were the other passengers. Where did the others go? Dun dun dunnn...

What is that bunker? Is there a reel there somewhere, 2 of 6?

dun dun dunnn....

Soosan at October 13, 2005 08:52 AM

I cried a little at the Bernard scene. I liked this episode - it wasn't as chaotic as the first few have been. It was about character development and it ended on a hopeful note. A really nice change from the last few weeks where it's ended and we've all freaked out. I'm glad we know now who Ana Lucia and her friends are - I knew they weren't Others. But it seems like they have definitely had some run-ins, huh? Did the Others kill their camp? Or did they get the sickness?

And hey, DJ Qualls on Lost! Cool! I have a feeling he really turned on Hugo when the whole lottery thing blew up.

freakgirl at October 13, 2005 08:53 AM

'Suckshaft' really made me laugh.

I was happy with the Hurley backstory too. I really felt bad for him.

Also, on my petty dislike list..Ana Lucia and Jack have hurdled Kate! On the plus side, Adebesi (did we get his name on the island yet?) has moved up towards Locke and Hurley contention for my favorite on the island.


Todd at October 13, 2005 08:59 AM

a small sidenote, my coworker and I exchanged obligatory "cluck you's" this morning. :P

Soosan at October 13, 2005 09:10 AM

This new bunker seems to be in disarray. Could it be a 2nd hatch? One that doesn't have a computer working? So that the people inhabiting that area are...crazy? Unlike the 'normal' folks on the other side of the island?

Grace at October 13, 2005 09:16 AM

So, do I get props for saying that Jin speaking english would be a dream last week? I've also been telling my girlfriend all week that I bet there were other hatches on the island, and she called me an idiot. I still think that's where Desmond was running last week.

It was an okay episode, but the flashbacks are definitely losing it this season. We've gleaned very little new info from any of them. In fact, there's very little new info at all in this episode.

Joey Jo-Jo at October 13, 2005 09:24 AM

The geekboy called it, too, JJJ. Props to both of you. I have a mean streak, because I LOVED how some people spent hours and hours fighting over Jin speaking English and coming up with the most idiotic scenarios. I enjoy that the writers like to fuck with us every now and again. We are so their bitches.

New info we found out this week:

1. There is more than one hatch/bunker
2. Bernard is alive
3. Ana Lucia's tribe is not The Others
4. Hurley and Locke both had the same boss (!)
5. Something or someone wiped out the tail-end survivors

Anything else? I am still dying to know where the hell Walt is. Someone on another board pointed out that when Hurley is having his dream and drinking the milk, Walt's face is on the carton with the words "MISSING."

freakgirl at October 13, 2005 09:39 AM

Ah, so maybe all 6 hatches are on the island? Maybe with all new sets of people that have crashed on the island at different times? That's how JJ and Co. can keep this show going for a million years maybe?

My absolute favorite moment of the episode: When Ana Lucia left Sawyer in the pit alone and it goes dark - right before commercial you hear, "Bitch." So funny.

I've been a fan of Michelle Rodriguez ever since Girlfight, so I'm glad she is on the show. Looks like they are setting up her and Sawyer as a possible item.

The dream in the beginning was interesting - I liked how they tied the chicken in the beginning with the flashback. Nice twist - when Jin said that he was not speaking English, but Hurley was speaking Korean. Is it just me, or did Jin speaking english make him even hotter?

maddie at October 13, 2005 09:49 AM

4. Hurley and Locke both had the same boss

Help! I missed this.

Yahtzee at October 13, 2005 09:51 AM

The geekboy and I found that info on another board. I was going to wait and let the geekboy talk about it, but I was too excited. Anyway, he did find this screencap:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/randyvsrandy.jpg

Also, the same actor is listed as playing "Randy" in both episodes.

freakgirl at October 13, 2005 09:57 AM

That would probably answer why Hurley bought a box company..

Todd at October 13, 2005 10:04 AM

This box company discussion always reminds me of that Simpsons where they toured the box factory.

And yes Maddie, an english Jin is a hot one! (as is Korean Jin, assassin Jin, fisherman son Jin, captive Jin)

:D

Soosan at October 13, 2005 10:09 AM

Pretty tame episode compared to everything else we've seen this season. I may be a sap, but it was nice to see the Lostaways enjoying themselves with the food. Reminiscent of the golf game last season. Seems like Jack is genuinely interested in what's going on now, though he would never admit it to Locke. Not too much revealed - I figured the "Others" were other Lostaways and courtesy of IMDB knew that Bernard was alive and WHITE. From the looks of the preview for next week, things heat up a bit more with the action.

chuck at October 13, 2005 10:17 AM

Todd, why does that answer the question about him buying a box company?

If I remember "Numbers" correctly, Hurley didn't even know he owned a box company until his accountant told him. But I could be wrong about that.

freakgirl at October 13, 2005 10:19 AM

I remember it being a shock to Hurley too, that he owned said box company.

Thanx for the Randy pictures, but now I'm having trouble with time frames. He is much older when a boss for Locke, but Hurley quit his job after winning the lottery (young Randy), and presumably wasn't rich for that long before owning the box company. I don't know if I'm making sense. Maybe this fits in with that 2 time frames theory, or maybe I'm thinking too hard about this.

ouch!

Soosan at October 13, 2005 10:23 AM

For those who can't see the resemblance in the screencaps, here's further proof ...

http://www.tv.com/billy-ray-gallion/person/50882/appearances.html

Joey Jo-Jo ...

First off, I totally claim bragging rights on the dream thing. Go back and look at last week's comments -- Freakgirl mentions it in comment 5, and I elaborate in comment 6.

Secondly, I thought the flashback kicked ass this week, and is the first one of the season that correlated very closely with the "present day" story line.

At this point, I feel like if we're getting information during the island scenes, then I don't need it so much in the flashback scenes. This is essentially a reversal of how things worked during most episodes last season, where we'd get character development in the island scenes, and revelations in the flashbacks.

Regardless, I loved the episode, and felt it did everything I like the show to do. Yet some people on other boards say it was the worst episode ever. Sucks for them. Maybe they can start watching Criminal Minds instead.

GeekBoy at October 13, 2005 10:28 AM

Freakgirl, you are probably right. I don't remember the specifics of him owning the company, just that he did.

I did like my 'revenge theory' while it lasted though.

Todd at October 13, 2005 10:30 AM

I think what Todd means is that he bought the box company in a turnabout move - to be the big boss of Randy. However, I think it's true that Hurley wasn't aware, so I'm not sure if that's the case. Also not sure if it means anything that Randy worked at both places, just more LOST fun.

chuck at October 13, 2005 10:30 AM

>Someone on another board pointed out that when Hurley is having his dream and drinking the milk, Walt's face is on the carton with the words "MISSING."

>Hurley and Locke both had the same boss.

This is why I should know better than to delete the episode before coming to TMFT. :(

Guess I could always get it off of iTunes!

So were both bosses named Randy or did they just pull a L&O; and use the same actor for different roles?

brigita at October 13, 2005 10:31 AM

Deb and GB, you guys are too much. You...No, you...No, you...No you!

chuck at October 13, 2005 10:32 AM

anyone think the apollo bar will have some significance later on? Am I grasping at straws?

Soosan at October 13, 2005 10:36 AM

Nevermind, I think it's just a time reference to when the hatch was built.

Soosan at October 13, 2005 10:44 AM

"Maybe they can start watching Criminal Minds instead" sayeth the geekboy.

Wow - so cruel! That show is actively and truly dreadful to the point I hope Bill Frist watches it while holding his indictment.

I liked the episode more than the last few because the flashback had a direct parallel to the island story and made me think about the character in both situations. Plus, Hugo is the only one we all love, as Rose said. When did he become Hugo instead of Hurley, BTW?

Janet at October 13, 2005 10:49 AM

Brigita, it's definitely the same actor playing a character with the same name and the same attitude. Seems unlikely that this is accidental on the part of the writers.

Soosan, somebody on one of the boards said that when they were looking at a full screencap of Randy talking to Locke in the lunchroom, the candy bar in his hand had the colors of the Apollo Bar wrapper.

Not sure if that counts as significance though.

GeekBoy at October 13, 2005 10:52 AM

Dammit, you're right, Geekboy. Between here and the email listserv I have with my friends (which, seriously, anyone here is welcome to join) I have a hard time remembering what I said where and when. :P

Joey Jo-Jo at October 13, 2005 11:03 AM

Meanwhile, in the "real world" ...

'Lost' Actor, Wife Robbed at Gunpoint
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051013/ap_en_tv/people_josh_holloway

Poor Sawyer -- he just can't catch a break this week!

GeekBoy at October 13, 2005 11:23 AM

Anyone have any theories about what's in the tunnel that was running out of Hatch the Second?

Jen in AZ at October 13, 2005 11:39 AM

My brother theorizes that all the hatches are connected, but I think if that were true, the tailaways would have explored back there, and left that section of the island, especially if they were being killed by the Others.

Joey Jo-Jo at October 13, 2005 11:44 AM

I was thinking that the hatches might be connected to a big middle area, and that's the area that's enclosed in concrete. Maybe that's where the monster lives. I don't know. I can't really figure out the layout down there.

freakgirl at October 13, 2005 11:47 AM

all connected like a giant habitrail? that would be cool.

Soosan at October 13, 2005 11:49 AM

I think the real question I have now is who the hell pissed on Ana Lucia's cornflakes? Is she about a bitch or what?

Julie at October 13, 2005 11:54 AM

I like her so far. She seems to have emerged as the leader of her side of the island; I guess the way Jack is on the other side. If at least a dozen of her fellow castaways have died, and they are basically living in cave, who knows what the hell has been happening to them.

She and Sawyer are going to have some hot, hot sex, though. ;)

freakgirl at October 13, 2005 11:57 AM

Anyone catch Sayid (sorry Naveen Andrews) on Ellen yesterday? (allow me to wipe the drool from my keyboard)

Am I allowed to share what he said? It's a spoiler, but nothing mind blowing.

Soosan at October 13, 2005 12:28 PM

It looks like there's only 6 or so tailaways left, so they must have "lost" 16 or 17 people. Also, they probably have a radio because if you remember, Boone talked to one of them last season, unless there are more lostaways elsewhere on the island.

chuck at October 13, 2005 12:32 PM

Oh Chuck, that's right! I forgot about Boone making some sketchy radio contact with someone talking about survivors. While he was in the plane, wasn't it? Right before he died.

Remy at October 13, 2005 12:41 PM

Yeah, some other guy said "we're the survivors on flight 815". Probably not so signif now, just thought I'd mention.

chuck at October 13, 2005 12:47 PM

Soosan, I'd rather not read a spoiler but I can't speak for everyone here. Perhaps if you can find a link to his appearance on Ellen you just post the URL?

freakgirl at October 13, 2005 12:52 PM

Or post the URL in the message board spoiler thread. :)

You guys are dorks. Already with the 40 comments. ;)

I actually really liked this ep. Nothing mind-blowing, and that's okay. I loved both Hurley's ending montage, and the scene with Bernard. Now I really can't wait for Rose's episode! Too bad it's almost at the end of the season. [Tentatively.]

sar at October 13, 2005 12:57 PM

I'll place a mention in the message board. There is a spoiler area right? (now that i've built it up, it's not actually that interesting to share... it was just the way he mentioned it) By the way, he is one sexy sexy man. Loves his real accent...yum!

Long live dorks!

Soosan at October 13, 2005 01:00 PM

Also, am I the only one who would've said "see ya later" to the tailaways? Sawyer and them are acting like they're prisoners still. Once I found out they were other survivors, I would have just bailed. The scene on their side of the island is no good.

chuck at October 13, 2005 01:11 PM

I don't get you guys and the Hot Jin Love. Maybe because I hated his guts on Angel? Anyway, Bernard is also from Angel...Gavin Park and Holland Manners together again...so nice.

I think Rose put the candy bar away for her husband because earlier she mentioned that he liked candy: "Candy is candy, that's what Bernard would say." Or something like that.

Watching Ana Lucia being all Girlfight I was thinking it would be nice if MR weren't cast as the tough chick for a change, and we got to see some range.

I enjoyed this week's ep, but thought of it more as a set-up for what seems to be a really exciting ep next week.

I am really looking forward to seeing all of these "coincidences" between the characters begin to surface and have them all begin to ponder why they are REALLY on the island.

Maggie at October 13, 2005 01:17 PM

Yeah, I'm wondering if they will start looking for their own people and maybe merge the tailaways in with their group. Who knows. I think they have a lot of information they need to share with each other.

freakgirl at October 13, 2005 01:17 PM

I don't know how reliable this is, since it's not a full screencap and may be enhanced, but here's the logo from the second hatch: http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3647/otherdharma7kn.jpg

Joey Jo-Jo at October 13, 2005 01:20 PM

Maggie the thought of Rose tucking away that candy bar for Bernard (and I think you are right), is so touching!

Soosan at October 13, 2005 01:23 PM

JJJ - I think that's quite reliable and keeping with the theory that each bunker has it's own area of research and thusly labeled with their own design/name. It looks like an arrow to me.

chuck at October 13, 2005 01:26 PM

I'll chime in and say I also really liked this episode. I read some of the messages posted on another board last night, the ones who said it was the worst episode ever, and I'm just not sure what it is they want from the show. As freakgirl was nice enough to point out, quite a few issues were resolved. All we've gotten so far this year is plot, and last night was about character development. We can't have plot ALL the time - we need some character development and strengthening of the relationships between the characters for us to care about how the plot affects them. Besides, it was nice to see them all kind of relaxed and chilled out for a change.

I like Hurley so I enjoyed the flashbacks, and DJ Qualls was perfect as his friend. I could relate with Hurley's need to keep things as they are - change can be very scary. I LOVED his mother. "Jesus is on the phone - he wants to know what kind of car you want."

The emotion in the Bernard reveal and the picnic on the beach was the best part of the show for me, though. I just hope that Bernard lives long enough to see Rose again. I've got a bad feeling.

Speaking of living long enough, I was wondering what's happened to the 23 tail section survivors. At first I thought there were so few left because they got sick and I was worried that Jin, Michael and Sawyer had been exposed to something; but then I thought about it and realized that they have probably been picked off one by one by The Others and that's why the they went all Lord of the Flies and Ana Lucia was being such a bad ass and making everyone be quiet, etc. I hope her backstory will reveal that she's some kind of cop or had some military experience or was in a gang or something, because those are some serious fighting/gun-handling/attitude skills for someone to develop in such a short time.

Re: the food distribution...I'm OK with Hurley's decision to just give out the food (they seem to have been able to feed themselves so far and none of them is starving), but I do take issue with the way it was distributed, willy-nilly. I was telling a friend of mine that if I got a can of olives or something and the guy next to me got a box of Apollo bars, I wouldn't have been too happy! It would have made more sense if they made up bags for everyone, with a little bit of everything in it, or made a big buffet out of the stuff. Jesus, I sound like Martha Stewart. Anyhoo, not important, I guess, and it looked like people were sharing.

OK, here's a question: Why do you think they had to pour concrete in the space below the bunker? What went so horribly wrong?

I was saying in an e-mail thread I have going with some friends that I don't think the 2 groups (the Rafters and the Hatchers) are going to be reunited any time soon. I think the writers will keep them apart for a while - it allows for more stories to tell within the same time frame and you get a bigger payoff when they all (hopefully ) find each other again. And if Rose's episode isn't until the end of the season, maybe that's how long they'll keep them apart.

Wow, that's enough babbling from me!

gina at October 13, 2005 02:03 PM

chuck - No, I definitely think the logo is different in Bunker 2: Electric Boogaloo. What I meant by "unreliable" was whether the picture itself is a true cap of the new logo, or someone's "enhanced" vision of what it looks like. Plus, I don't remember any clear shots of the logo anywhere in the episode.

And personally, going on no evidence whatsoever, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the two groups meet up during sweeps.

Joey Jo-Jo at October 13, 2005 02:10 PM

was the shark logo with the swan or just a generic dharma?

Soosan at October 13, 2005 02:17 PM

At this point I think the shark logo was too quick and blurry to tell what it was.

Joey Jo-Jo at October 13, 2005 02:19 PM

On the post on TMFT for that shark episode, there was a screen cap of the shark's logo - it looks like it is different than the swan.

maddie at October 13, 2005 02:58 PM

"Is the guy playing Bernard the same actor from WKRP in Cincinnati? :) I think so... (I could be wrong)"

He (Sam Anderson) actually was on WKRP in Cincinnati, guest starred I think, according to IMDB. He looks like Howard Hesseman who was a main character on that show. How odd. Just another weird Lost coincidence.

maddie at October 13, 2005 03:55 PM

If Dr. Johnny Fever shows up on that island it will totally blow my mind.

Jen in AZ at October 13, 2005 04:09 PM

so *not* the guy from head of the class right? ;)

Soosan at October 13, 2005 04:11 PM

And here's Les Nessman with the weather... "Well it started raining on the island out of nowhere today and then immediately stopped. Very strange indeed. And now back to Venus Flytrap"

chuck at October 13, 2005 04:12 PM

Ok I am veering dangerously off the Lost topic, but this is TOO funny.

Both actors (WKRP dude and Growing pains dude) starred or are starring in the tv movie "Secret Santa". One in 2003, and one this year. It's like 6 degress of Kevin Bacon, only with Lost.

i crack myself up.. really

Soosan at October 13, 2005 04:14 PM

You crack me up too, Soosan.

Howard Hesseman (WKRP in Cincinnati) was in Head of the Class. Still not the guy in Lost.

Other random facts I found while looking for other odd connections:

Daniel Dae Kim was on Party of Five.

Brad Pitt was a guest star on Head of the Class in 1989. Weird.

maddie at October 13, 2005 04:27 PM

And Brian Robbins was in Head of the Class and also later directed Varisty Blues with James Van der Beek, who was on Dawson's Creek with Kate Cruise, who is pregnant by Tom Cruise - I think you all know where I'm headed with this - THE ISLAND IS BEING RUN BY THE SCIENTOLOGISTS!!!!!!!! DON'T LET THEM IN!!!!!!!!!!

chuck at October 13, 2005 04:39 PM

Hurley is the only islander who could afford Scientology.

Soosan at October 13, 2005 04:43 PM

ZING!

chuck at October 13, 2005 04:45 PM

Gina - I like your thoughts about the reason there are no longer 23 tail survivors better than my initial thought. (You said "At first I thought there were so few left because they got sick and I was worried that Jin, Michael and Sawyer had been exposed to something; but then I thought about it and realized that they have probably been picked off one by one by The Others...") I don't really buy that there is a disease b/c I think the quarantine thing is just there to scare the button pushers and keep them pushing so the explanation I came up for the missing tail survivors is that A-L & Co. went all Donner party on their fellow survivors. I hope your second thought is right because cannibalism is gross. Seriously, please don't eat people.

Sandy at October 13, 2005 04:49 PM

I was having a hard time deciding what to make for dinner tonight, but thanks to Sandy, I chose chicken. :D

Maggie at October 13, 2005 04:57 PM

Sandy, re: there being no disease - Didn't the French lady say that all her crew got sick?

freakgirl at October 13, 2005 05:42 PM

She did...but I think she meant mentally. She mentioned them hearing voices, which Sayid also heard right before she captured him. Shannon heard the whispering voices right before she saw Walt. Her crew then started turning on each other - I think they went crazy. And then they took her son.

Maggie at October 13, 2005 06:21 PM

Mmm, chicken. Much better than people.

Oh, freakgirl, good point about the French Lady's ranting about people getting sick, I had forgotten. I guess I shouldn't dismiss the disease possibility so easily, although Maggie's response makes sense to me. God, I love this show. There's so much to think about!

The other thing I was thinking about was that it's interesting that the two sets of survivors set up their societies so differently. I don't think the people in Jack's group are "better" people than Ana-Lucia's group, even though they seem more civilized. It easy to be more civilized when you have access to all of the luggage from the plane, you have a doctor and a survivalist/hunter, and you found a clean water source. Analogy to the US vs. Third World? Anyone?

Sandy at October 13, 2005 06:50 PM

OMG I just reread that and it sounds like I'm calling Third World people uncivilized. I assure you that was not my intent. I meant to say that people (like Kendra from TAR) think that poor people are uncivilized. Ack! Don't let me talk anymore!

Sandy at October 13, 2005 06:53 PM

Hee! It's okay, Sandy!

freakgirl at October 13, 2005 10:39 PM

Sandy, you are your own worst enemy.

GeekBoy at October 13, 2005 11:34 PM

Sandy,
I think your on to something there nonetheless, although I was thinking about polar opposites as an analogy. The magnetic force on the island has caused the original cast to be somewhat together, civilized, and the back end of the plane, uncivilized etc.

Ara at October 14, 2005 08:35 AM

polar opposites, polar bear? coincidence?

Soosan at October 14, 2005 09:17 AM

I was speculating with the hubby that the Chernobyl comment was significant. As in, the "sickness" was some sort of radiation poisoning and there is a nuclear component to whatever is in the hatch. Ethan certainly looked like he was afflicted with something like radiation poisoning toward the end.

Perhaps moving into a hatch is a dangerous thing, and the reason "our" Lostaways haven't been dying off like the tail section survivors is because they have (until now) not been in a hatch. Hmmmmmmmm.

Greater Czarina at October 17, 2005 07:24 PM
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