you didn't miss much... more idiocy from team girl.

Soosan at October 17, 2005 09:09 AM

The mere concept of deciding NOT to put the DQ logo on the Zip-thing was mind boggling to me. They lost this task as a group, all of them except Jennifer M., the one of them who thought the logo was a good idea. Toral has problems, and she definitely needed to go, but maybe if the rest of the group could turn their focus from trying to sabotage her (which she was doing a fine job of herself, thank you very much) they may have actually done well at the task? Maybe? Alright, maybe not. ZIP?!?! Sheesh.

Remy at October 17, 2005 11:21 AM

The womens team just reminds me of high school and the cliques and ACK! So lame.

DaisyLou2 at October 17, 2005 11:29 AM

I'm with you Remy. While I'm convinced that Toral -- like Marcus -- will crash and burn on her own long before the end of this thing, I don't think that this was the week she should have gone. Yes, maybe Toral should have "stepped up" this week ... but it's pretty tenuous to say that the loss was caused by the fact that she didn't, when there were so many other more obvious factors.

As for the costume thing, Freakgirl and I were mixed on this. Phony religious excuses aside, I believe that Toral should have been able to say "no" and have that be accepted, both by the team and by Trump. There didn't need to be a reason. Hold it against her later in the game if you want, for not being a "team player" ... but again, her not putting that costume on didn't cause the loss, and for Trump to compare this to him choosing to wear a chicken suit on SNL is idiotic. Somebody (Rebecca?) needed to step up and tell Trump that the Mean Girls were just using the costume issue as a way to punish Toral for not fitting in.

But hey, they got her fired instead of themselves. So credit to them ... I guess. But thumbs down to Trump for not holding the women's team to the same standard as the men. Melissa and Toral were essentially fired for not fitting in with the rest of the team. But Marcus was given a pass for the same thing.

That's how I see it anyway.

GeekBoy at October 17, 2005 11:48 AM

I just want to gloat over how many points I got in this week's fantasy game. Number one, bitches!

Jane at October 17, 2005 12:50 PM

I am in agreement over the costume. While she wasn't being a team player it was very obvious the girls knew she would object to wearing it, and were not so secretly happy about her decision. She should have been able to say no, and she should have focused more on that fact in the boardroom. I was actually pretty mad that when the girls asked her if she wanted to, and she said no, they got so pushy and rude. It was more like a demand cleverly disguised as a question.

I want one of the guys to win I think... the girls all seem so phony.

Soosan at October 17, 2005 12:50 PM

Jane, full props to you for getting 8 OUT OF 10 predictions right, and skyrocketing past everybody else to the top of the list.

My own performance was unfortunately less stellar.

GeekBoy at October 17, 2005 01:18 PM

If we're considering Toral's performance on the task, she shouldn't have gone. Period. If we're considering boardroom performance, then yes, she SHOULD'VE gone. Period.

But I would've gladly fired one of the ones who started the unnecessary drama. I would have fired Felisha or Kristi. Probably Felisha for deciding not to use the DQ branding.

The "blonde clique" of Alla, Felisha, Jennifer M., and Kristi is going to crash and burn soon. They HAVE to. I love Alla, but the rest of the blondes can all get fired and go home for all I care. Even Felisha, despite how much I also like her. To think they're superior to the non-blondes (Marshawn, Rebecca, and Toral) was arrogant and wrong. Not to mention unfair.

I definitely think a guy will be taking this one. My money's on Randal, James, or maybe Adam.

Jamison at October 17, 2005 01:51 PM

The women totally set Toral up for a fall this week, but I really think that if Toral had accepted the position of PM they would have given her a chance. Not that it would have done any good because Toral is an elitist bitch who thinks she's better than everyone in the world and not afraid to say so. For such a smart person she's a frickin' idiot. Even though she's not the reason they failed, I would have fired her myself just for being too stupid to understand that if she didn't play nice she was going to be let go. She was actually suprised that she was fired.

I LOVED Trump comparing himself and the chicken suit with Toral and her reason for not wearing the Zip costume. I laughed and applauded.

I'm pleased Rebecca cut herself loose from her sinking friend.

Maggie at October 17, 2005 02:05 PM

Maggie, I enjoyed the entertainment value of Trump bringing up the chicken suit, then pandering to the room, "Did you see me on Saturday Night Live?" But the comparison itself was hugely flawed and bit unfair. If Toral had bothered to take Rhetoric 101 at Wharton, should would have been able to argue her way around that one.

Despite Toral's failings, I'm actually not happy with Rebecca for turning her back on her. So much for the "loyalty" she crowed about last week. She could have given Toral the "you should have stepped up" speech in private, then in the board room, done the right thing and gone after the people who actually were responsible for losing the challenge. Instead, she folded to the will of the prevailing blonde clique. There's nothing so admirable in that, especially when said clique will always treat her like a second class citizen just for having associated herself with Toral in the first place.

GeekBoy at October 17, 2005 02:26 PM

Maggie - you nailed it. Everything that happened in this episode could have been avoided (except for Mark's unfortunate drag queen performance) if Toral had just stepped up and been Project Manager. She feels all these tasks are beneath her. SUCH bullshit. She wasn't fired for the right reasons this week, but she had the power in her hands to make sure that she was safe for another week, and she didn't bother.

freakgirl at October 17, 2005 02:30 PM

Just when I thought no phrase could be more annoying than "At the end of the day..." along comes "Step up." Arrrrgh!

Stellaaaah at October 17, 2005 02:38 PM

I find everything annoying that comes out of the Reese Witherspoon look-a-like (Kristi?). She's an angry little girl.

Toral didn't fight very hard to be PM.. it was like "Hey, I'll do it, but I don't really know what I'm doing so if anyone else has any practical experience in anything go ahead and be PM instead, but look at me, I'm taking charge!"


Soosan at October 17, 2005 02:46 PM

Just so it's clear, I think Toral is an egotistical fuck-up and a weak player who needs to get over herself. Having said that, I don't think there's a single female player who deserves ANY kind of pat on the back this week, and I wish Trump would have said so after he fired Toral.

When Chris(?) got fired instead of Marcus, the men saw the error of their ways, and embraced Marcus instead of alienating him further. Faced with the same situation this past week, the women made it their catty mission to drive Toral out of the game. And I kind of had to sympathize with her for that.

Part of me wishes that Trump wouldn't mix the teams this season, so that we could watch the female team continue to devour itself.

GeekBoy at October 17, 2005 03:18 PM

Geekboy, I totally see your point and I understand where you're coming from. I don't agree, but I do get it.

I don't think that loyalty to a woman you just met who carries herself the way Toral does should supersede your own best interests in this situation. Rebecca stuck up for Toral last week...this week Toral didn't live up to the second chance. Loyalty over, IMO.

I'm so unimpressed with the women as a group. You'd hope that at their ages they have left behind the need for popularity and the security in ganging up against a single outsider, but no. I want to see them get professional and drop the high school bullshit.

I'm impressed with the men's performance, except for the excessive patting themselves on the back crap. They've toned it down since the embarrassing car advertising, which is good. Go men!

Maggie at October 17, 2005 03:32 PM

Well, I guess my point is that it was never "loyalty" to begin with. Rebecca was probably just grateful that Toral went to the doctor's office with her, and happy to have somebody on the team that wasn't a group-thinker. Which is fine ... but don't make a big speech to Trump about "loyalty", then bail on it and actually punish Toral (by saying to Trump she deserves to be fired) a few days later, simply because she didn't live up to your performance expectations. That's kind of overkill.

Also, in this case, I'm not sure it was in Rebecca's "best interests" to fall in line with the rest of the group -- considering the group. But I guess time will tell ...

GeekBoy at October 17, 2005 04:47 PM

seriously? hate all those girls. i might hate rebecca the least, but hate all of them regardless.

i like how the donald kept catching toral in her lies. best.

sar at October 17, 2005 05:29 PM

*snicker* I was just reading the TVGasm recap, and there is a pretty funny parallel of Zip to the 1996 Olympic mascot "Whatizzit". The similarities are quite daunting.

Soosan at October 18, 2005 10:36 AM

I totally had the same thought! Now I'm mad I didn't follow through. Ah well. TVGasm rules.

freakgirl at October 18, 2005 10:39 AM

Freakgirl the previews for this weeks episode lead me to believe there will be plenty of room for comedic fodder. :)

We love tmft too!

hey did you hear the internet comes on computers now?

Soosan at October 18, 2005 10:50 AM

I started out liking all the women and am now down to only liking Marshawn, Alla, and Rebecca. All the other women are disappointments after getting Toral fired. I mean, the loss wasn't her fault, but she brought part of it on herself. She needed to step up and be Project Manager and she'd have thought up a winning concept. She didn't. She shrank right back and let one of the members of the "blonde clique" (Felisha) take charge.

Rebecca gave her a second chance to do well with the team. She refused it. So Rebecca finally admitting that Toral needed to go was absolutely the right decision in my book. Toral had to go.

Jamison at October 18, 2005 11:55 AM
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