No real development, but I still enjoyed this episode as well. Better than last week.

- Adebisi's name is listed as "Eko" in the credits, not "Echo". I thought it was Echo, too, until I looked it up.

- I don't think Kate was looking for sawyer's note. Why would Sawyer need a note? He's ON the boat! "Thank's for rescuing me. Here's a note that says what I went through." I think Kate was obviusly looking for HER OWN note, which was probably a confession of her "crimes". Now that she knows they're not being rescued and her note has resurfaced, she wants to destroy it before any of the castaways get to read it.

- I think the Tailaways have had their own "Ethan" which is why they're so skittery about newcomers and Libby said they have "trust issues".

- WHat if there's two sets of "Others"? The others last night were really ratty with tattered clothes and no shoes. But the others in the season finale was really technologically advanced and had boats and guns and molotov coctails...

Joey Jo-Jo at October 20, 2005 08:49 AM

I hate Comcast....I got 10 minutes into the show last night and ABC went out.....Glad I didn't miss too much

yogagirl at October 20, 2005 09:22 AM

We tried to count the number of Others that passed Eko and Jin in the jungle, but the cutaways were confusing. It was no more than 13, I think, but could be as small as 6.

Sun is so beautiful. So lovely. I really enjoyed the storytelling in this one - "Love will be orange." We kept noticing all the orange - the juice, the rose. When Jin bumped into Sun because he was looking at a woman in an orange dress? Loved it.

And the geekboy pointed out that Michael's shirt is orange. Orange is love, man. ;)

freakgirl at October 20, 2005 09:22 AM

Wow - I think Yunjin Kim is a really good actress. She's excellent at communicating emotion through facial expressions. Much better than Freckles.

Stuffed bear was very high on the creepy factor.

yahtzee at October 20, 2005 09:40 AM

Joey, I'm with you on the two sets of "others". In fact, I'm willing to believe there's even more than that. If the numerology bears out, perhaps there's as many as six groups of castaways on the island? I think somebody already brought this up here, but I like the idea that the first set of castaways was 42, the rear of the plane was 23, and then there's four more groups of "others" -- 16, 15, 8, and 4.

Did Danielle ever say how many there were with her after their ship crashed?

GeekBoy at October 20, 2005 09:47 AM

freakgirl, I forgot about the orange thing! I didn't tape, so I may have to do the iTunes thing (which I did last week and I think I like it).

I really enjoyed last night’s episode, again. The actress who plays Sun is just amazing. Her reaction to finding the wedding ring almost had me in tears.

Random things:

~I liked how they intertwined the “lost and found” theme throughout the show. Locke said something about how he didn’t feel lost anymore, and that you find what you’re looking for when you stop looking – Sun and Jin found each other (what a sweet scene that was) after they both failed in their respective searches; Sun found her ring (and hope) after saying that she knew that Jin and the others were not alright; and this doesn’t exactly fit, but Jin and Echo found Michael after...stopping to get a drink of water? lol

~I liked how they had Sun interacting with everyone separately. Nice character interplay between characters we don't normally see interact, especially between her and Hurley. He said something that made me laugh out loud, and now I can’t remember it. I think it was the "good Korea, bad Korea" line.

~The scene where Jin and Eko hide and watch the Others walk by was very well done. So was that Walt walking with them carrying the teddy bear? No?

~I thought Yunjin Kim did a great job of playing her younger self. Even the way she walked, in the first flashback, across her bedroom when she was getting ready for the matchmaker date, was very much like a young girl. She's so beautiful. I think after last night she earned herself a spot on my "if I played for the other team" list.

~I still can't understand why Kate was rifling through all the bottle notes. It was pretty apparent that she was looking for something, and Joey Jo Jo, I like your idea that she's looking for her own note, but what does that have to do with her not saying goodbye to Sawyer? I'm cornfused.

Three weeks! Ugh!

gina at October 20, 2005 10:59 AM

My take on Kate was first, she was trying to find her own note and destroy it. But then when she said, "I never said goodbye," I thought she wanted to see if Sawyer had put a note in there. Just so she could have it as a memento - something of his. Remember this is the same girl who robbed a bank so she could a toy plane.

freakgirl at October 20, 2005 11:10 AM

No, I think the "I never said goodbye" was just a distraction, and a shitty one at that. For being such a "hardened criminal", Kate is a really crappy liar.

Joey Jo-Jo at October 20, 2005 11:16 AM

I just remembered this....Sawyer READ all the notes in the bottle while they were on the boat. So, either my theory is whacked, or Sawyer knows Kate's secrets, and isn't telling anyone.

Joey Jo-Jo at October 20, 2005 11:38 AM

bear...totally creepy. totally.


Soosan at October 20, 2005 12:42 PM

Also, did anyone else think Mr. Echo seemed to hear something when they were getting the water -- and then make up an excuse to abandon Jin? Only to show up later?

yahtzee at October 20, 2005 12:49 PM

Thanks for reminding me, yahtzee. My girlfriend and I both couldn't hear what Eko said when standing next to the water, and we meant to go back and replay it so see if we could make it out. I'll have to do that when I get home tonight.

Joey Jo-Jo at October 20, 2005 01:08 PM

so no new episodes these next few weeks? is that abc's version of torture?


Soosan at October 20, 2005 01:10 PM

Duh. I totally disconnected the fact that Sawyer wouldn't have written a note if he was going to be on the raft himself. I do clearly remember him reading all the notes, though.

I have no idea what Kate would have written. Did she really confess the reasoning for her crimes? I also remember right before the raft left that she was trying to buy Sawyer's spot on the raft and go in his place...why was that? Does anyone remember?

Right now I have absolutely no idea why she was searching the notes, and she didn't actually say Sawyer's name to Sun, just that she didn't get to say goodbye. She's the one who wanted the bottle dug up, so it was important to her to find something in there. I still think she's going to be jealous when Ana Lucia shows up.

I didn't think about any of the orange symbolism at all during the flashbacks...I remember the part where love is orange, and I focused instead on the fact that there's no word for orange in's the same as the English word for orange. I was paying more attention to the sound of the Korean than anything else...I don't know why. I love the sound of that language.

Maggie at October 20, 2005 01:19 PM

JJ-J - We rewound the TiVo and thought he said, "I've lost the trail." and that he would come back. Seemed like an excuse to me.

yahtzee at October 20, 2005 01:41 PM

Maggie: It think Kate wanted on the boat because someone mentioned how there's going to be a big hub-bub when they were all rescued and that they'd all be famous, and she probably figured it would be easier to slip away if she was on the boat than if being rescued off the island. (That episode also showed her burning the picture of someone else's passport so she could pass herself off as her.)

Joey Jo-Jo at October 20, 2005 01:52 PM

Right! Thanks. So was that before or after she'd written a note?

What the hell did she do? I just remembered the scene where her dying mom realized she was in the room and started panicking and calling for help. What did she DO? Maybe we'll never find out.

I still think she's sweet on Sawyer, though. I like Freakgirl's explanation of why Kate was searching through the bottle.

Maggie at October 20, 2005 01:57 PM


Alright, we all know that I'm a nerd, but I think I take the cake this week.

I googled eko and african word, his accent. Eko is actually a Benin word that means camp. It is also the name of the village that beame Lagos, the largest city in Nigeria. Knowing JJ/writers that is not without thought or reason, don't you think?

I loved Sun. This past week someone asked me who would be my choice to be Lost with and without contemplation said Sun. Now seeing more of her story the fact that she knows so much about everything is amazing. I guess I didn't realize her standing in Korean society, she wouldn't have had a reason to know all the horticulture stuff she does, her degree in Art History seems the likely choice since her place would be in the home after she was married. It just made her more rounded to me that she defied all the societal norms, even marrying the son of fisherman.

Jin was also amazing. His eyes told more than his words, and so did Sun's after she found her ring (I liked how the angle made it seem like we were spying and Sun wasn't aware we were there).

I think Sawyer's got some payback coming. I don't want to say that he's dying, but leaving Jin and Michael because 'it's every man for himself' shows that he hasn't learned anything from his past, to now, and we all know the Island doesn't like it when people don't learn from their mistakes.

After the past couple of weeks of jumbled plots this episode was such a welcomed relief. I think we needed a calm place to sit down before the storm picks up again.

mason at October 20, 2005 02:49 PM

I always like the episodes that focus on the minority characters on this show. It is such a rare occurrence on a multicultural ensemble show to have both the A and B stories revolve around minorities.

Loved that Jin is picking up more english. I thought Daniel Dae Kim did an amazing job this week. Jin and Sun are, perhaps, the most developed characters on the entire show. Their backstory seems way more real, full-bodied and intricate than most everyone else.

Loving Eko more every episode. He is totally the Locke of the Tailaways with less creepy.

I need more depth in Michael though. His story seems so one-trick-pony and all he seems to do this season is scream for Walt.

That Jin and Michael are the best of friends now though is incredibly sweet to me. I love that Jin won't leave his friend behind.

And the others are mad creepy. Light-footed and moving seemingly a tad quicker than they should across the jungle bed. Barefoot no less.

Methinks they've been on the island way longer than anyone could've guessed. Maybe long enough to have had children while on the island.

Jason at October 20, 2005 02:49 PM

is there a toy's r us hidden somewhere on the island that only sells super mad creepy teddy bears.

Is the monster really a giant angry giraffe like Hurley said.. is the monster.. GEOFFREY FROM TOYS R US??

why do i normally end up yelling after all my questioning?

Soosan at October 20, 2005 02:53 PM

Very good episode - Sun and Jin's story is my favorite of the series so far, I think.

I just thought of something - could that young boy carrying the bear be the French woman's son? He might be a little young to be her son, but I remembered her saying that the Others took her baby. ??? Am I crazy?

maddie at October 20, 2005 03:15 PM

I love how Soosan gets all worked up after Lost.

Do we even know if Danielle's child was a boy? Alex could be a girl, too. Alex should be around 16, maybe less...she mentioned having to deliver her child alone, and then it was taken by the Others at some point, right?

freakgirl at October 20, 2005 03:34 PM

There were also theories that Alex was on the boat when they took Walt. There was a youngish looking girl.

Could be Alex and the teddy bear... it was pretty ratty. Maybe it's just a lure the others made to get more children.. tho I don't think it would be very effective! :)

Worked up? Moi? I prefer to think of it as "Passion"... only said more like that girl on the Apprentice.

Soosan at October 20, 2005 03:47 PM

In the season finale, Danielle said Alex was a girl and was kidnapped by the others when she was 1 week old.

Joey Jo-Jo at October 20, 2005 03:51 PM

Thanks, Jo-Jo!

freakgirl at October 20, 2005 04:51 PM

the jin/sun episodes ALWAYS make me cry. jeez.

all this time that i've been reading Lost stuff on the internets, i thought his name was pronounced like eco.

sar at October 21, 2005 10:41 AM

Also, FG, I count 9 people, the last of which is the person carrying the bear.

sar at October 21, 2005 03:47 PM

I kind of feel like it's impossible to count the number of legs that walked by. Because the camera angle kept switching back and forth 180 degrees. And when they did that, sometimes the patterns of "pants, no pants" repeated. So were they repeating certain legs? Or are we meant to understand that each cut connects consecutively with the ones on either end of it? Conversely, it's possible that more legs passed by in between the cuts.

I feel like this technique was very specifically used so that we couldn't possibly count the number of legs without making huge assumptions. We're just supposed to get the impression that it's a lot of people.

GeekBoy at October 21, 2005 08:06 PM

Well, the pants/legs are all pretty distinct. I watched it a few of times and counted no MORE than 9 people, I guess. But clearly the method was designed to make people like me count and people like you Heh.

Naturally the crazies at lost-forum + The Fuselage are obsessing over how many Others there are. I think their general agreement is 12. But obviously 'tis all still speculation.

I feel a little better and not-so-crazy when I read posts on The Fuselage and lost-forum. Chuck + Soosan, you should read them, too, if you feel your obsession is a little out of control. Because we? Definitely not THAT crazy.

sar at October 21, 2005 08:46 PM

The child with the bear, I think was just to let us know it was a child. Skin not dark enough to be Walt, also Walt seems a little mature to carry a stuffed animal.

leah at October 21, 2005 09:49 PM

Sar, I know... I know I know. I used read the fuselage in season 1, but reading people theorize and theorize and theorize grew tiring on me. Every episode they'd spot how the #'s would show up, and then analyze that to death. Gotta admire their tenacity tho eh?

I wonder what kind of technical wizardry they used on the "others" while walking... it was way messed up.

Soosan at October 22, 2005 01:51 PM

Actually, according to TWOP, his name is Misterecko (one word, and my spelling may be off).

I kind of liked Creepy Teddy. It reminded me of Michael from Peter Pan, who shleps his teddy bear through Neverland. Lost Boys, anyone?

Three weeks? THREE WEEKS? How dare they torture me for three weeks?

Greater Czarina at October 22, 2005 07:43 PM
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