I still ask myself why I watch this show lol.
I am not one for waitng years for answers but I cant stop.
I have to say the introduction of the tail section folks is good.

Jack is getting on my nerves.............
The "Fall finale" suggests Kate is yet someone else?? or not who she is? Something like that.

I was so happy to see the reunions.

Question--why didnt syiad tell someone he saw Walt? Or did he not really see him and had only told Shannon that?

Bubbi at November 24, 2005 08:50 AM

I'm glad I saw both the canadian vs. american previews this week.. abc focused mostly on Kate, and CTV focused on the button (and well Kate again).

Ana Lucia's supervisor (the lady) looked so familiar.. was she in a past flashback or do i just recognize her from tv or movies?

Rose and Bernard?? I am crying so much at the tv lately, it's frightening!

Jin and Sun? Hello waterworks.

Wonder when Sayid will mention he saw Walt (or a vision of Walt.. or whatever!)

Soosan at November 24, 2005 09:37 AM

Ana's supervisor is an actress that has been around for years. I can not place her just yet--but I will :)

Bubbi at November 24, 2005 09:44 AM

ok.. i'm timing you, you have 108 minutes!

(ha ha ha ha ha I am SO funny)

Soosan at November 24, 2005 09:57 AM

The actress is Rachel Ticotin, mostly a film actress and a very good one but I almost always think of her in her role as Melina in the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie Total Recall.

Really enjoyed last night's episode. It was nice to get back to the original cast and see them having some sense of a normal life.

How long have Michael, Sawyer and Jin been gone? 3 or 4 days? A week at most? It is interesting to see how comfortable the castaways have gotten with the hatch and the button and how quickly.

Jack loves ladies who kill.

Ana Lucia's story wasn't all that exciting but maybe Michele Rodriguez plays cops or is in "cop" flicks a little too much. I kept thinking of her as her SWAT character. And I'm sorry but they did a pretty terrible job of making downtown Honolulu (or whatever island they shot that on) look like Westwood/West LA.

And we still don't know what she was doing in Australia.

Loved the reunions. Love Sayid as resilient but tortured soul. Love Mr. Eko and his quiet determination.

One of the better episodes this season.

Jason at November 24, 2005 10:51 AM

I agree about Michele Rodriguez and the typecasting...a little boring.

I'm also interested to know why AL was in Australia heading for LA. What happened after she killed the guy? How long ago was it?

When Michael and Sayid spoke, Sayid asked Michael about Walt. Michael told about the Others taking Walt their first night on the raft. Sayid then hit his head against the tree in frustration. Probably he was feeling that he didn't really see Walt, that Shannon didn't see him either and that if only she didn't go running into the jungle...just some speculation.

Maggie at November 24, 2005 12:15 PM

I really liked this ep, also. Not so much 'cuz of AL's backstory, 'cuz I'm kind of over her, but because of the stuff on the island.

Can't wait for next week. I still heart Kate. And Sawyer. But I think my new favorite person might be Eko... he's all kinds of awesome.

sar at November 24, 2005 01:28 PM

i really hope we get a rose/bernard flashback... i heard somewhere we will, but maybe that was just wishful thinking. Probably the same source who speculated on a Vincent flashback.

Soosan at November 24, 2005 01:44 PM

I also really enjoyed this episode. Kate's reaction to Eko walking out of the jungle behind Jack was awesome. She actually made me scared, even though I assumed she wasn't seeing an "other" or something like that.

My hub had an interesting thought -- does it seem like people hear the "whispering voices" in the jungle right around the time they're facing their own demons or other personal struggles. For example:

Jack -- heard them after chasing his "father" through the jungle.

Sayid -- heard them after escaping from the French woman who'd been torturing him.

Shannon -- heard them (and saw Walt) when she was upset with Sayid for not trusting her.

Sawyer -- heard them when he was up to something, but for the life of me I can't remember.

Michael -- same with Sawyer. I can't remember what he was up to, but it seems like he was agitated about something at the time. Possibly trying to find Walt (before they left on the raft) who'd wandered off again, hence, defying Michael's authority as his father?

I don't know. A couple of those might be kind of a stretch, and without TiVo (or a great memory) I can't remember the specifics on all the incidents. But it did make me think -- hmmmm...

christarenee at November 24, 2005 03:36 PM

Oh, yeah -- and Ana Lucia heard them right before she shot Shannon.

christarenee at November 24, 2005 03:37 PM

The most curious line of the night for me was when Sayid said to Ana Lucia, "What good would it do to kill you when we're both already dead?"

Jason at November 24, 2005 06:02 PM

Maggie, I thought that Sayid thought maybe it was Walt and he felt bad for doubting Shannon. I was happy with AL's backstory, I thought it resolved the cop question and the kids question nicely.

Joanne at November 24, 2005 06:59 PM

Hmm I don't remember seeing the reunion of Rose/Bernard and Sun/Jin. Maybe I turned off the show too quickly... The last scene I saw was Sayid picking up Shannon and walking towards camp. That was it. Of course all the shows last night on all three channels were running at least 5-10 minutes late (and I have no idea why!!!!) Grrr and I WANTED to see it...Hopefull I can catch it Sat. night.
The flashback of Ana-Lucia just made me not like her even more. I get that she wanted revenge...but to shoot the poor bastard six times (didn't coun't but it seems like 5 or 6)??? Ouch. Cold hearted. I also wonder why she was in Australia...there's more to the story after that shooting...they would have HAD to know its a cop gun that killed Jason....

Otherwise it was a good show...I didn't have to listen to Sawyer :) (runs from the Sawyer lovers...)

FuzzDuckie at November 24, 2005 11:23 PM

Joanne, that interpretation works for me too. I am dying to know what's going on with Walt. So curious.

FuzzDuckie...I doubt AL used a cop gun to kill the guy...unless they specifically showed that she did and I missed it. Personally, I don't get the revenge thing. Was she so unstable to begin with that being shot and losing her pregnancy was enough to drive her to commit murder? That is beyond the scope of a normal person dealing with grief, and if she was capable of that, what's stopping her from shooting him multiple times? But yes, I agree that it was indeed cold-hearted.

I think perhaps killing Shannon has changed her and we'll see what her guilt leads to. I wonder what she feels most guilty about...a tragic accident where she took the life of an innocent woman or the vengeful killing of a criminal.

Maggie at November 24, 2005 11:51 PM

Maggie, I hope your questions will be addressed on the show, because AL's character could go in so many interesting directions. I suspect we still don't have all of the backstory on how being shot affected her. It does seem like it cost her everything she valued: her husband/boyfriend (they just hinted at a break-up), her baby, and her job. (No, she wasn't fired, but she was taken off duty. And obviously, she lost her confidence and ethics.) I think Libby's comment was telling; she said something to the effect that AL is a bad judge of character. Indeed. AL believed the perp was a student, and she got shot. She imprisoned the wrong "other;" an innocent man died. She makes a snap decision on the island, and she kills Shannon. I think she knows that she can't trust her judgment, so she has put increasing faith in the gun. However, the gun keeps deepening her guilt.

I also thought that Sayid's comment that they are both already dead helps to explain and defend Michele Rodriguez' one dimensional performance. She does seem a bit vacant and numb; perhaps that's because the life that she wanted was gone long before she stepped onto the plane. Perhaps Rodriguez is playing AL as a living ghost. (I'm not familiar with her other work, though.)

Did anyone notice Eko checking out the Dharma logo? It seemed to me that it might have meant something to him....

And did I miss a discussion on the significance of dharma itself, aside from the Dharma and Greg jokes? That is, has there been speculation about the role of the Hindu concept of dharma in the show (i.e. divine law, cosmic order, and personal duty)? Could the island be an experiment to engineer dharma? My apologies if this topic has been beaten to death elsewhere.

Oh, and I hope AL was never investigated for the murder of the guy who shot her. It would be so much more interesting if the conflict involving that murder was completely internal. Very Dostoyevski.

Melissa at November 25, 2005 12:44 AM

I really liked your comment, particularly about AL putting her faith in the gun because she can't put it in herself.

Eko tracing his finger over the Dharma logo: The tailaways had been living in another, smaller bunker. The Dharma logo was on the wall there too, only their logo had a lighthouse or missile instead of a swan. I think Eko was just noticing it and wondering what it meant. In the previews for next week Locke shows Eko the Dharma film.

I think the "feeling dead" theme is true for many of the survivors. Pretty much each person for whom we've seen some backstory has experienced issue with self-worth, guilt, relevence and purpose.

Maggie at November 25, 2005 02:31 AM

Do you suppose AL knows Kate? or knows of her. As a cop vs. fugitive?

Bubbi at November 25, 2005 07:42 AM

The other bunker symbol was an Arrow.
Speaking of the Dharma film... the man in the video has also been on an episode of Grey's anatomy! Cooooool....

Soosan at November 25, 2005 08:21 AM

I never thought Sayid and Shannon had very good chemistry together, but when Sayid and Ana Lucia were standing face to face - whoa baby! I think they would make a GREAT match....Jack should stick with Kate.

Incedentally, did anyone else notice Michelle Rodriguez had veneers done between now and the time she filmed her airport scene with Matthew Fox? I thought she looked so much better before, now she is just another set of horse chompers ala Hilary Duff.

Sarah at November 25, 2005 11:24 AM

I'm so sick of veneers. I don't understand why everyone wants to look like Matt Dillon from There's Something About Mary. Giant teeth scare me.

Maggie at November 25, 2005 12:36 PM

Da vinci is probably rolling in his grave over "Da Vinci Veneers" (that's the name right?)

Soosan at November 25, 2005 12:38 PM

Thanks Maggie!

RE Eko and dharma: D'oh! I forgot about the Dharma logos on the other bunker.

I agree with you Sarah. They never really did enough with the Sayid/Shannon relationship to interest me. I was quite disappointed, because it had so many possibilities. In fact, I was saddened by the demise of Shannon because I wanted to see her character grow more, accomplish something tangible. Sayid could have played a part in that.

But in terms of chemistry, I second you again on Sayid and AL. Wow! I do think it's interesting that, with couples, like seems to attract like on "Lost." Thank you, writers, for not smashing opposites together just to create conflict. For example, Kate seems much closer to Sawyer than Jack, and that makes sense since their demons appear to be so similar. AL and Sayid seem primed to have some sort of interesting relationship, even if it's not romantic. Of course, by that logic, would that pair Jack with Libby? Hmm... Don't know about that.

We've got to find out what Jack and AL talked about in that bar! Anybody save that episode? What is that connection?

Melissa at November 25, 2005 12:52 PM

I didn't care for Sayid with Shannon because it always seemed like he was patronizing and talking babytalk. And I wanted to see Shannon change and grow as well.

Last night Jeremy and I were talking about how everyone's character has to change. They have all been removed from the environments which enabled them to behave the way they did, and their roles on the island may be slightly similar to their roles in the real world but the reality is they have to adapt to their environment now. Sawyer can hardly remain a con artist if there is nothing to gain and no one to con. As he learns to forgive himself for becoming the person that destroyed his life when he was a child, he'll stop punishing himself by alienating everyone else. He'll no longer feel he must be alone. Jin is no longer his father-in-law's hitman patsy. He can go back to the simple life of a fisherman that he knew before, and his relationship with Sun can go back to what it was when they fell in love.

In this ep we also noticed the stark contrast between life on the island for each of the groups. AL et al were walking through the jungle, terrified and paranoid while Jack and Kate were playing golf and laughing. Kate told Sawyer that it was okay, he was "home". The front-section survivors have stopped surviving and have begun living.

Maggie at November 25, 2005 01:18 PM

Soosan -- definitely getting a Rose flashback.

sar at November 25, 2005 05:10 PM

Maggie -- I love your thoughts on this ep. Well said.

I also agree that there was amazing chemistry between AL and Sayid. When they were face to face after AL told Sayid he should just kill her, we were like, "Are they going to make out?!?"

christarenee at November 25, 2005 07:05 PM

and then i didn't get a chance to do anything until today

my family kidnapped me, i'm not kidding, and forced me to spend the weekend in the mountains...i got home last night

let me read the post and the comments and i'll get back to everyone

mason at November 28, 2005 11:48 AM

okay so i think sayid knows that ana-lucia killed her shooter. i think he knew that by the look in her eyes. do you think there will be an inquiry into shannon's death? to see if ana lucia is at fault, or not?

i liked the episode, especially for the tight rope that jack was walking with kate that he saw cut. he knows now that kate is sawyer's. do you think he and AL are gonna get it on? i like that idea.

i cried so the last five minutes. i love reunions, even between michael and the dog (i forgot his name).

thanks so much for the post, and sorry i have a crazy kidnapping family. i did have fun though...

mason at November 28, 2005 02:13 PM

I guess you didn't see the preview for next week... ;)

Maggie at November 28, 2005 02:18 PM

Maggie, I totally missed that (in the preview) last week but saw what you're talking about in some screen grabs I was looking at today. Huh?? I think I know "What Kate did". ;)

I'm with you all - really, really enjoyed last week's episode. I don't necessarily liker her, but I do think AL is much more sympathetic now. Those reunions at the end had me in tears. Great, great payoff.

gina at November 28, 2005 03:34 PM
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