Love the recap, Maggie, from the title on down. You were surprised that Rafe was Mormon and athletic, but I didn't know he was gay. Had he said that before? I like that dude. He's smart and kinda sweet. Funny. His hair has an independent streak, though, doesn't it? Did I see a flower behind his ear at one point? Heh.

Lydia was way too whiny this episode. She should be thankin' her Mayan stars her ass is still around, shouldn't she?

I loved how Judd was head down with his face in his hands after being cut DOWN on the lying bit. That sealed his fate.

Michael at November 25, 2005 12:44 PM

Danni and Lydia are gonna try to swing Judd next week and it ain't gonna work. He's at risk of going all paranoid-Jamie on us, and he will stick with what he knows, his alliance. My opinion anyway.

Once Danni is gone, I think Lydia, then Judd should go. I would love to see a Steph/Rafe final two. I liked Steph from the beginning, but Rafe has really impressed me with his ability to win challenges, his understanding/playing of the game, and also (although this is not always a factor for my admiration) his genuine wish for everyone to just get along. He seems like a real sweet guy. And yet, not getting his ass handed to him, which tends to happen to the nice ones.

Jeremy at November 25, 2005 12:53 PM

I thing Rafe is a genuine, sweet person who tries to be aware at all times of how he's treating others. I don't know if that has to do with bad experiences in his life, because I can imagine being gay and a Mormon is not easy. Perhaps Rafe would never want to treat a person hurtfully because he knows what it feels like.

On the opposite tack lets take last season's Coby, also gay. He befriended Angie because she was different too...tattoos and piercings. He even said to the camera that he felt a bond with Angie because they were both outcasts and had to stick together. He talked about getting such a hard time from people in his life because of who he is and how he lives. But Coby was a total bitch and the second the "cool kids" started talking to him, he dropped Angie like a disease. I hated him.

At the risk of making decisions based on mannerisms and appearance, I figured Rafe was gay but I didn't actually refer to him as such until I heard it from his mouth, which was last night. The Mormonism is a TOTAL shock. :)

Maggie at November 25, 2005 12:56 PM

Steph's tirade seemed a tad overblown. We're probably missing out on part of the story, but she sure seemed mad.

Does anyone know what the deal between Cindy and Gary is? Gary said he knew Cindy didn't like her - but I don't really remember any bad blood between them.

kyle at November 25, 2005 03:05 PM

I was only half serious about not knowing Rafe was gay because of Brian ("I'm not gay, just effeminate"). I couldn't agree more about Coby.

I thought they were certainly editing for a showdown over Gary's 'job', so I was surprised when it never really happened. I never minded him. Who else pictured him as a Canadian on 'South Park'?

Michael at November 25, 2005 03:38 PM

Funny you mention "South Park," because I think Rafe seems just as over-happy as the Mormons on that show are portrayed to be.

Jamison at November 25, 2005 05:54 PM

I don't understand why Stephenie thinks she's entitled to everything. I found it bizarre how angry she was when her pots were smashed. She can lose the eye-rolling, whining fit! Definately not one of her best moments. Why did Danni vote for Gary? I don't get it. I like Rafe...the cute little gay mormom. He needs to stop winning all those challenges or he will face the wrath of Stephenie. Lydia, needs to realize she hasn't eaten because she is complete dead weight in the challenges. She should eat her sour grapes!

Jill at November 25, 2005 06:09 PM

Surviver--the show that began it all for me :)
I am not really impressed with this season to begin with. Having said that--I like Danni and Rafe. I had hoped Gary could hold on--oh well.

Lydia--oh goodness--she might have eaten had she won! It was not a physical challenge!
Stephs reaction was way over the top--I liked Steph and was glad to see her get another shot at the prize. However, Steph has always been as dumb as rocks--sorry, but one has to use ones brain as well as brawn.

Lydia made a good point--she at least sees the power Steph has but no one is going to listen to her anyway. I want to see Steph gone along with Judd.

Looks to me as if the producers are going to throw a wrench into things anyway. Maybe bring someone back?

Bubbi at November 26, 2005 08:09 AM

I understand why Judd called Gary out for trying to align with Lydia, but what else was he supposed to do? When Judd and Steph blew him off he was left with two options. 1.Be a sitting duck or 2.Try to align with someone else.
There was absolutely nothing dishonest about what he did.
Judd, on the other hand, deserved to be called out for the fake clue. And I wish the it was divulged that Stephanie was in on the lie.
Her tirade at Lydia was ricockulous.
I hope the gay Mormon takes it all.

gunther at November 26, 2005 09:23 AM

I don't think Gary did anything wrong, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it wasn't dishonest. It was totally dishonest. But you have to do what you have to do, or you may as well just stay home. Trying to reorganize loyalties is the only way to make it another 3 days.

Gary and Judd both lied, about various things. Why Gary thinks it's okay to lie about being a football player but it's not okay for Judd to lie about the immunity idol, I can't figure out. Gary even rationalized his football lie AGAIN during his little speech at the very end. As far as Judd's concerned, I don't think he has a problem with Gary lying per se, he just wanted to estrange him when he called him out. Judd only cares if people lie in so far as it makes him distrust them.

Lying is fair in this game. Manipulation is key. The trick is to do it without alienating the jury.

Maggie at November 26, 2005 11:38 AM

C'mon now... I LOVED Gary's Stef comment about the autograph. Stef didn't do herself any favors by coming back on this show. Her image has turned completely and she has come across as a queen bee who is stuck on herself. And I loved her last season.

Bryan at November 26, 2005 04:39 PM

I thought the autograph comment was a cheap shot spawned by jealousy. It was embarrassing for Steph and insulting to everyone else in the game. But I enjoy irony and pointing out Steph's celebrity whilst lying about his own is kind of funny even though I disliked Gary for doing it.

I preferred Steph last season too, but she is who she is. CBS gave her another shot at a million bucks and she took it. Good for her.

Maggie at November 26, 2005 06:03 PM

Bryan, I totally agree with you on the Gary calling Steph out, that must have really stuck in her craw, cant wait to see if she has anything to say about that next episode ... honestly at that point Gary had to have known he was a goner but he went out fighting & it made for a great tribal council. I was a total fan of Steph last season but this season she is kinda getting on my nerves.

Pammysue at November 26, 2005 09:40 PM

I missed this ep, but thanks for a great recap Maggie!

Rafe mentioned that he was gay in a really early episode, like episode one or two or something. I definately remember him mentioning it. When he and Brian ended up on the same team I remember thinking "oh cool, the two gay boys are on the same team." So imagine my surprise when I heard that Brian supposedly isn't... umm, m'kay.

The Other Andrew at November 27, 2005 11:30 PM

I love Rafe - hope he wins, nobody seems to be spotting he's actually their biggest threat at this point - a nice guy who wins challenges.

Not liking Steph as much this season - but hey.

And will someone please poke Judd's eyeballs back inside their sockets. I first thought he looked like Bruto, but Pop-eye would be a more appropriate name for him instead.

Lubin Odana at November 28, 2005 07:23 AM

Maggie, I don't watch Survivor, but I wanted to let you know that every time I come here and scroll past "Go, Little Gay Mormon, Go!", I laugh right out loud.

gina at November 30, 2005 11:36 AM
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